Bernard Hopkins: higher on ATG list than Floyd and Manny?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Yes.
     
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  2. ConserveWater

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    Oh I know he's higher than Floyd.

    Numerous Polls all have BHop winning over Floyd on multiple sites and most boxing writer's lists have B-Hop a few places higher.I didn't want to put a 'Floyd only Option' and a 'Manny Only Option' because I am afraid it will spark into a *****- Pac **** debate.
     
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  3. miketysonko

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    No
     
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  4. tliang1000

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    I rate bhop's win over Pavlik and Pascal but while those two fighters were good wins they didn't beat anybody worth a note. Pavlik's biggest fame was beating Taylor and that is like so what for me. And Pascal biggest claim to fame was his fight against Froch.

    Being Bhop is still able to beat young guys is impressive but i have no doubt that Floyd and maybe pac can do the same as well. Sneak in a win over a young fighter here and there.

    If you look at Floyd jr at 35 he still won against a young Ortiz who is actually more accomplished than Pavlik and Pascal.
     
    tliang1000, Oct 22, 2012
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  5. ConserveWater

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    I don't agree with that, but good post. Thanks for contributing.

    Pavlik and Pascal were both better fighters than Ortiz. Hopkins doing that at age 43-47 is also much more impressive than Floyd at age 35.
    Explain how Ortiz is better than either or have achieved more? That is a bit crossing the line.
     
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  6. turbotime

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    He beat Dawson.
     
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  7. tliang1000

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    Really this shouldn't even be debatable and if you lay the stats side by side, you will be able to see clearly how far ahead Floyd and Pac is over bhop. As for giving extra pts to bhop being old, i don't buy that bc just bc he didn't do much early in his career doesn't mean he gets a automatic bonus when he does later in his career.
     
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  8. tliang1000

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    He beat Dawson? wtf when this happen?
     
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  9. UP93

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    No, he isn't :rofl

    Anyway Floyd's ahead but it's not as clear as some in here are suggesting.
     
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  10. turbotime

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    Really?
     
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  11. Chappy112

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    I think he might be above Floyd in terms of resume but not Pacquiao, Pacquiao's resume is ridiculous.
     
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  12. ConserveWater

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    :patsch:patsch Ya at first I thought you were a non bias poster, but after going through your posts I realize you are just a more intelligent version of a *****.

    Never mind. Lol, after reading some more of what you written and how you think ORTIZ is a better fighter than Prime Pavlik and Prime Pascal.... That level of delusion is almost on par with *******ism.
     
    ConserveWater, Oct 22, 2012
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  13. tliang1000

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    and why isn't Ortiz is not more accomplished?

    Pavlik's best win was against Taylor in ONE division.

    Ortiz is two division champion and his best win was against Mike arnaoutis, Berto, and he beat Peterson even though it was a draw, and Harris, and campbell.
     
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  14. Bogotazo

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    I have Bernard over both.
     
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  15. tliang1000

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    Dawson beat Bhop.
     
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