Bernard Hopkins is a better fighter than Roy Jones

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  1. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    I'm sick of all the Roy Jones nut huggers.
    Roy Jones is a better athlete than Bernard Hopkins, I'll give him that: He's faster (hands and feet) and arguably hits harder (Bernard can punch, he hurt Tarevr and Glen Johnson, something Roy couldn't do).

    But when we are talking about the pure art of boxing, Bernard Hopkins is a level above Roy Jones. That's why he doesn't need reflexes / speed to survive and can be on par with anyone at the age of 44.

    He's the master of hit and not get hit, he's much more crafty and smart than Roy Jones.
    Yes, Roy Jones beat a green Bernard Hopkins, who one fight after that got knocked down twice by a journeyman. But Prime Bernard Hopkins (1997-2001), the one that shutout prime Glen Johnson and prime Tito is a better fighter than prime Roy Jones. Nard didn't lose more than two rounds in 11 title fights during those years.
    There is a reason why he never got the rematch with Jones, Roy knew what he was doing.
    Prime Jones had a hard time with guys like Griffin, Harding and Tarver - guys that can't win a round against prime B-hop. Hell, Tarver couldn't win a round when B-hop was 41 !

    All the people that think Jones beats Calzaghe because Calzaghe was life and death with Hopkins make me laugh:
    Calzaghe proved himself to me by being even with B-hop, who at 43 is still one of the best 5 fighters in the world. Write it down fellas, Calzaghe beats Jones easily - and you can know it just from the fact that he was even with Bernard Hopkins, the best 40+ fighter ever.

    And write down another thing: IF Kelly Pavlik somehow beats B-hop, it's 115-113. There is no way B-hop gets knocked out by this guy, even if he breathes heavily at the sixth round.
     
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  2. Florida boy

    Florida boy Bodacious Full Member

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    prime roy beats prime bhop all day long. get over it.
     
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  3. imp4pdabest

    imp4pdabest Guest

    Was just about to say that. Jones is just better.
     
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  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, I agree. He proved it in their bout. Oh wait.....
     
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  5. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    I disagree, but even if so, does it make him a better fighter ? styles make fights. B-hop destroyed Glen Johnson and Tarver, and both destroyed Jones. Is Vince Phillips a better fighter than Kostya Tszyu in your book ?
     
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  6. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins never lost in his prime. When he lost to Jones he was a young contender, still green. Anyway, you can make an argument that he didn't lose a fight since that Jones fight.
     
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  7. imp4pdabest

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    Doesnt matter, how can you say he's better when a prime Jones beats a prime Hopkins anyday? Just how Hopkins didnt lose in his prime, neither did Roy. Hopkins isn't on Roys level.
     
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  8. Sweet Pea

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    Such an elementary argument. Jones was done by the time Johnson got to him, and had already beaten Tarver even in his weight-drained, fading state in their first fight.

    Prime for prime Jones smokes Tarver like he did a better fighter like Virgil Hill. Johnson is a fighter who actually has gotten better with age, so while his record was impressive against Hopkins, as a fighter he wasn't on the same level as the one who beat a shot Jones. Johnson had literally nothing to offer Hopkins when they fought.

    Neither would've beaten a prime Jones, though the Johnson that Jones faced would've given him more difficulty in his prime than Tarver.

    Tarver was also weight-drained when he faced Hopkins, and styles make matchups as you said.

    Hopkins has had his skills carry him further along than Jones in terms of age, his style is just better suited to it. Hell, he was better at an old age than Sugar Ray Leonard, does that make him higher as an ATG? No, prime for prime Jones always beats Hopkins and was a better fighter prime for prime.
     
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  9. the cobra

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    A case can be made that prime for prime Hopkins was superior, but there's no definite answer there. As far as the art of boxing, yes Hopkins is above him, but athleticism is a part of a fighter's strength as well, a very significant part. Jone should rate higher, he accomplished more (this is coming from someone who is a bigger fan of Hopkins than Jones), although if Jones gets beaten by Calzaghe and Hopkins beats Pavlik, a case at least can be made the other way. I don't think much can be taken from their fight. Both were green, inexperienced pros, Jones had the far superior amateur career and the superior natural athleticism, that's what won him the fight. Prime for prime, it becomes a lot closer, because Hopkins showed much improvement, where as Jones showed just a little. Still, Jones was the overall better fighter just slightly IMO.
     
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  10. 1Kolijn

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    Agree 100% :good
     
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  11. jeffradka

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    Hold up there kid, you must be new to boxing or something. Hopkins isnt on Roy's Level!?! What a joke, go back to watching UFC bandwagon boy.

    You probably think James Toney was a **** fighter to because Jones beat him in 94.
     
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  12. redmond22588

    redmond22588 Blood and Guts Full Member

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    i disagree 100% roy's skill was not of this world and not to discredit b-hop but he beat on alot of smaller guys as well ODLH tito winky look what roy did to lights out he made it look easy and as he said (Redmember whe ni beat bernard hopkins and won the ibf the right was hurt beat him with the left yall musta forgot ) lmao had to add that but once again im not trying to discredit hopkins he is is an A class fighter roy was simply just that much better
     
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  13. gilad

    gilad Active Member Full Member

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    Roy jones never smokes Tarver. Styles make fight. you say Hill at LH is better than Tarver I disagree, but even if so, he wasn't a southpaw. Roy Jones always looked like **** against southpwas, he was even on ***** street against a joutneyman named Del Valle.
    Jones fans like to say Roy never lost a round in his prime but it's BS. The griffin, Harding, Del Valle fights were all in his prime and we are not talikng about a-list opposition. Roy never fought Bernard in his prime, because he wasted his prime years fighting guys that had no chance in hell to beat him. The James Toney fight was the last risk he took until 2003.
     
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  14. imp4pdabest

    imp4pdabest Guest

    I'm new to boxing? You just got on this site. And like I said, Roy skill wise is on a different level.
     
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  15. redmond22588

    redmond22588 Blood and Guts Full Member

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    sorry but i disagree man jones was starched when he ran into tarver and and johnson i dont think they would have a prayer in hell of beating a prime jones
     
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