Bernard Hopkins is a TOP 10 ATG.

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  1. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Top 25 because of his accomplishments and modern great, yes. But me being a hardcore Bhops fan h2h against the greatest 160-175lb fighters of all time, I'm not too sure. Competitive, win some lose some, but even being top 25 that is a very, very high order. I can't see him at his best beating the likes of Monzon, Toney, Zale, Foster, Hearns, and fights with Eubank, Benn, McCallum, and Calzaghe could of been draws or gone either way in close fights. Joe might of outlanded Bhops, but he schooled Joe for the first half of the fight plus he had the knockdown. Too bad a rematch never happened it would of answered alot of questions. His fights with Taylor also many think Hopkins is really 1-1 with Taylor. As for accomplishments tho if we're strictly talking about that then he could even be top 10 yes as much as I may disagree, but his accomplishments speak for themselves.
     
  2. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is awesome! an ATG who compares favorably to any middle in history.
     
  3. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Your'e right Hopkins-Calzaghe wasn't a close fight. :nono Hopkins won the fight but was robbed. 80% of Calzaghe's punches were illegal slaps, many of which were slipped or blocked anyway.
    Bernard The Executioner Hopkins is indeed a top ten ATG. Calzaghe a mere wannabee:|
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know. Calzaghe had a style all wrong for Hopkins
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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    1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
    2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
    3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
    4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
    5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
    a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
    b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
    c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
    d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
    e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
    f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
    g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
    h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
    i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

    I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

    6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
    7. Calzaghe scored at that time, the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
    8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
    9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




    Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
    Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
    Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.
    What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.
     
  6. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    LMAO, just watched his ring walk for Pascal 2 again, that entrance music was hilarious wasn't it!
     
  7. VIP

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    I'm a big fan of Hopkins but he ain't top 10.

    Still a great fighter :thumbsup
     
  8. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    I agree. I certainly rate him in the top 20 though, what he has accomplished far exceeds Julio Cesar Chavez (who many have in their top 20) imo.

    And thru it all Bernard did it his way :good
     
  9. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Top 25 not top 10.
     
  10. Bognashavin

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    Hops is a whinging bloody sook
    Very good, but not top 10
    Didn't RJJ have that many belts/titles at light heavy?
     
  11. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I got Hopkins in my Top 30 ATG.
     
  12. whopperdong

    whopperdong "sorry dan, im the man" Full Member

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    And here's a solid fact for u...
    Calz robbed an old man.