Bernard Hopkins is the best boxer of the 21st century. Not Mayweather/Pacquiao

If Roy Jones didn't drain himself post-Ruiz, he'd be the best of the 2000s, but it's Hopkins

Bernard Hopkins

1) prime Trinidad who established himself at middleweight against Joppy, so no size excuse
2) KOd De La Hoya and only weighed one more pound at weigh ins - so no size excuse. De La Hoya was not as washed up as when he fought Pac and Floyd
3) lost to Taylor twice - two close decisions that could go either way, at age 40
4) jumped up 2 classes immediately to fight Tarver, shut him out
5) beat Winky Wright right after he was robbed of the 160 title - better than any win on Floyd or Pac's record
6) robbed against Calzaghe, at age 42
7) crushed Pavlik
8. beat Pascal (plus robbery) . better than 90% of Pac/Floyd's wins seeing as Pascal beat Chad Dawson
9) lost to Chad Dawson

only guy to CLEARLY beat Hopkins was Chad Dawson - at age 46.

Manny Pacquiao

1) Bradley - not better than Trinidad/Oscar/Winky wins
2) Marquez - about as good as Trinidad/Oscar wins, but Pacquiao needed 3 controversial decisions and got KOd by him, whereas Hopkins won way more convincingly. Not better than Winky win
3) Morales - coming off a loss to Zahir Raheem, and lost to bum David Diaz immediately after. Solid win but not on Bernard's level
4) Barrera - good win. Not better than Oscar/Trinidad/Winky
5) Cotto - good win but he was beaten down from Plasterito. not better than Tito/Winky/Oscar wins
6) in his prime lost to Morales. Lost to Marquez at least twice.

Here's the rest of his wins
1) paper champions - Sasakul, Ledwaba, Velazquez, Diaz, Hatton, Rios
2) fighters with ZERO wins over elite boxers - Hatton, Clottey
3) washed up fighters past their best - Cotto, Oscar, Mosley, Margarito

Floyd Mayweather

1) Genaro Hernandez – Zero wins over elite fighters in their prime.
2) Diego Corrales – Did not fight one elite fighter in his prime outside of Mayweather. Someone who gets dominated by Clottey and Casamayor is not elite. To those people who think Corrales is great for being on the p4p rankings, do you also agree that Corrales is better than Hopkins and Lennox for beating bums like Juuko and Manfredy? Because thats what the p4p rankings said too. and p4p rankings have Golovkin in the top 10 for beating Matthew Macklin, and some even had Adrien Broner in the top 10 before the Maidana fight. so try to use some common sense. Not even better than the Pascal, Dawson, Pavlik, or Taylor. Not even Glen Johnson for that matter
3) Jose Luis Castillo – actually beat Floyd in the first fight. Definitely not a Dawson/Calzaghe/Taylor/Pavlik level fighter. Castillo NEVER fought any elite fighters outside of mayweather.
4) Arturo Gatti – specifically referred to as a C-class boxer by Mayweather. No elite wins
5) Zab Judah – lost in literally every meaningful fight he ever had. Far from impressive.
6) Carlos Baldomir – zero wins over elite boxers
7) Oscar De La Hoya – Bernard beat a better version of Oscar, and more convincingly.
8. Ricky Hatton – best wins are Kosta Tzyu (did nothing outside of beat Zab Judah), a shot Castillo, and garbage Malignaggi. Not better than Pascal who actually beat an elite fighter in Dawson.
9) Marquez – good win. Diminished due to Marquez coming up 2 classes, whereas Hopkins moved up 2 classes himself to fight Tarver, beating him in similar fashion to Mayweather and Marquez.
10) Shane Mosley – almost 40 years old, washed up. He went 1-3-1 after the Mayweather fight, proving how past his prime he was.
11) Miguel Cotto – past his prime after his loss to Antonio Margarito, but a good win nonetheless. about as good as Pascal win because of Cotto's regression.
12) Canelo Alvarez – zero wins over elite boxers. Trout is not elite. Definitely not as good a win as jumping 2 classes to dominate Tarver.
13) Marcos Maidana – zero wins over elite boxers. Roger Mayweather himself has confirmed this

Floyd ranks higher than Manny slightly, because he beat a better version of Oscar and he beat Marquez convincingly. Pac's competition is better overall but his losses to Morales and controversial Marquez decisions plus KO6 aren't enough to surpass Floyd. If Pac only had one or two losses/controversial decisions (not counting pre-2000) then perhaps he'd be better than Floyd. But they are not close to Hopkins.

5 or 8 division champion means nothing if you fight Floyd/Manny competition. If you're the guy who thinks all of Manny and Floyd's meaningless belts and titles make you the greatest fighter, then neither Floyd or Manny come close to Hopkins 20 defenses. Lose-lose situation either way

 

compubox is meaningless.

Hopkins - effective countering. Calzaghe - meaningless work rate

Floyd only landed 9 more punches than Maidana but that was a clear victory for him. compubox is for people who have no common sense

 

They did not move up 2 classes while Bernard missed weight to gain an extra advantage.