Bernard Hopkins legacy

Good assessment although Tarver wasn't the undisputed champion.

 

Monzon top 10? That is high praise, but considering how good the man actually was, I can't make any strong argument against it(at least in my current inebriated state ). I have him in my top 20.

I consider you a very good poster already(if a bit angry, but I can't talk). I'd like to hear your personal top 10 to 20 if you don't mind.

 

Thank you for the compliment, I admire all of your posts as well because your really the only one on here that is debating the facts with me. From what I have heard and seen of each fighter I would probably have to say my top 20 is (It does tend to change):
#1. Ray Robinson
#2. Henry Armstrong
#3. Roberto Duran
#4. Sam Langford
#5. Harry Greb
#6. Muhammad Ali
#7. Willie Pep
#8. Pernell Whitaker
#9. Carlos Monzon
#10. Benny Leonard
#11. Ezzard Charles
#12. Joe Louis
#13. Ray Leonard
#14. Joe Gans
#15. Julio Cesar Chavez
#16. Jimmy Wilde
#17. Archie Moore
#18. Eder Jofre
#19. Mickey Walker
#20. Alexis Arguello

Occasionaly Joe Walcott or Gene Tunney or Sandy Saddler and a few others may come into my top 20, but I like this list at the moment. There are a few that I wouldn't have a problem with them being above Monzon, but I just don't see any other than the first 8 who based on overall skill and ability plus resume and acheivements can be called the superior fighter.

 

What legacy? Hugging his opponent to death? Hopkins is a joke.

 

good argument :thumbsup

like to try again or is that the extent of your knowledge of hopkins?

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

Hey let me try to interpret it for you...

"I have only been watching boxing for 3 years!"

Hope that helps!!!

:good

 

Sweet Pea, I think it would benefit us all if you posted your top 10 or 20 as well. I'd like to see where we differ, and find the reasons as to why. The thread's getting a little off topic now, but we've discussed the legacy of B-Hop enough for now.

 

So who on here doesn't recognize Hopkins as a top 5 Middleweight?

 

Ignorant people or people with a distinct prejudice against him. Hopkins is top 3 along with Monzon and Hagler in my mind.

Prime for prime he would be 50-50 at worst with any other MW in history. I would make a prime fight between him and RJJ 50-50 as well, and 80-20 in Hopkins favor prime for prime against Calzaghe (the best or one of the best SMW Champs of all-time).

 

no it doesn't.

but at least i know where you stand.

 

like the other guy...

you got nothing to say.

 

Sure thing, I'd post my top 35 if I could recall it(I'm on vacation away from home, so I can't simply copy and paste it, as I usually have it saved). My list is very subject to change though, as yours is. I like to think it gets tighter each time I correct it though. Here's what I can recall of my list. I had a hard night so I'm not functioning fully right now.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Mickey Walker
8. Roberto Duran
9. Benny Leonard
10. Barney Ross
11. Willie Pep
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker

I believe Charles to be very underrated, given he has one of the top 4 resumes of all time. I don't rate Chavez nearly as highly as you do, as I feel he was a tad overrated. Not as a fighter(as I believe at his best he was fantastic) per se, but in terms of career accomplishments, controversy, etc. I still have him inside my top 30 though. Everyone you listed is in my top 35 though.

 

I fully agree that Charles is vastly underrated, it is somewhat strange that you rate the fighter in my avatar and whom I named my profile after (with the obvious exception of Cincinnati) higher than I do and I rate the fighter in your avatar and whom you named your profile after higher than you do, but ranking a fighter all-time is very subjective, so something such as that is really no surprise. I do feel Chavez is often overrated by some, but going unbeaten in his first 87 fights and 13 years while proving himself the best in 3 divisions and collecting the scalps of multiple champions on his way to establishing himself as the best P4P up until the match with Sweet Pea is enough to earn a spot in my top 20. That and his all-around completeness as a fighter in his prime.

Our lists are quite similar, as we have the same 11 fighters in our top 13, and Walker is a top 20 on my list with Ross a top 25, and you have said on a previous post that Monzon is top 20 for you and I'll just assume that Louis is as well. I actually trade off between Armstrong and Duran for the #2 spot. There is no doubt that Greb should be as high as you rank him based on resume, but I just can't get myself to put a fighter I've never seen in the ring before at #2. I have Duran so high because in the mid-late 70's at 135lbs, he was the BEST fighter I have ever seen.

 

Just to get back to the topic of the thread, does Hopkins make it into your top 35? Personally, I'd have him around 30 give or take a few spots.