Bernard Hopkins: One of the Greatest EVER!

Oh, man, don't even bring in the 15 rounder question. It'll make Hopkins damn near invincible. If fights went 15 rounds, Hopkins could establish an even more in-depth fight plan than he already does.

 

This is what the point is, Hopkins likely would have stopped Winky tonight if it were a 15 rounder, he already has a tko12 Trinidad, KO9 DLH, would have likely TKO'd Tarver in the 13th or 14th from grinding him down and would have finished off Taylor in the 14th or 15th definitley both times.

Hagler would have lost a close decision to Duran had it been a 12, Sugar Ray Leonard would have lost a decision to Hearns had it been a 12 and so on and so on....

So stop bringing up the Taylor robberies people in criticism and comparison to old timers who had 15 rounds to work with.

You have to compare it era/era, Hopkins without a doubt would have a beautiful resume with 15 round fights, it even would have given him a shot at Jones in their respective fight later on....

 

OOOOOOOOOO I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOOOO WRONG AND THEY LET ME PROVE IT OVER AND OVER.....

Let me break your post down all "Jack-like".

Actually, he was a huge betting favorite. Remember that Golden Palace thing he had on his back during that fight? He took the money they paid him to do it and put it on himself at HUGE odds and made a killing.

Plus, very few boxing experts had Hop even making it through the fight on his feet, let alone KOing Tito.

Why do you think its considered such a great win? Not only did he utterly dominate Trinidad, but IT WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN LIKE THAT!

So again, as I said....he was a huge underdog going into that fight. In fact, I can guarentee (but obviously not prove...and ya dont seem like the "I admit when Im wrong" type of guy, so...oh well) that by your harshness on the issue, ya probably had Tito, didnt ya?

NEXT!!!

First, I agreed that 160 was too big for Oscar. But, to go into that fight thinking that Hopkins was going to OUTBOX De La Hoya????? If you say you did....your lying. Outmuscle him...impose his will...yes...outbox....NOOOO!

NEXT!!!

Well now, he threw nearly half of what he normally does huh? And this had to do with the weight and the weight only? Hopkins had nothing to do with it? Really?

AND, he is dropping the weightclasses to make bigger fights. Didnt you hear him state that OVER AND OVER before the fight even happened? Or do you think a David Haye - Winky Wright will generate more than a Winky - Oscar or a Winky - Taylor?

He is getting on in years...he aint just gonna jump up in weight and take on champs at that level and win convincingly...I mean, who does stuff like that?

Oh yeah, Hopkins does...

NEXT!!!

At 160 Winky wins easily? Oh you must be saying that because sooooo many other fighters have beaten Hopkins easily at that weight.....

OH, WAIT? NOONE has beaten him easily at 160? Really?

Taylor? OHHHH, thats right, most people feel he won at least one of those fights. Jones? He lost but was in no way dominated. Noone else? Really? Oh I see why you would think that then......

atsch

next....(this is getting tiring how wrong you are)

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Didnt Tarver....BEAT Johnson? Ahhhh he did.....

But back to that first thing....

Even if you do think Tarver is ****...you cannot deny he was the recognized champion at LHW. That is unarguable (is that a word...**** it, it is now).

Hopkins spent pretty much his WHOLE CAREER at 160. Over a decade there. He jumped to LHW and took on the recognized champ of the division....without so much a tuneup. And he did it at 42 ****IN years of age....if that aint impressive, then you need to open your eyes bro.

Oh yeah, he also shut him out.

Aaaaaand was the betting underdog. Hindsight is 20/20, but again, Im willing to bet you had Tarver in this one.

NEXT!!! (Im reenergized)

The Johnson fight was fantastic....arguably a better performance than the Tito fight.

The rest of the people I named were former champions actually. I left out others, such as Holmes, Lipsey, Jackson, Echols, etc.

Now, some of the fighters on his resumes are what you call "MANDATORIES". Meaning, if you are going for a record number of defenses, you actually NEED to have the titles to defend them....and if you dont take on those "MANDATORIES" you are stripped, along with your chance of the record.

Plus, there is not a fighter out there that can say they dont have a bunch of bums along with some greats on their resume. Name one person who ONLY fought ATGs?

NExt... (getting bored with this again)

First I said arguably. Second lets look at the fighters you named.

Whitaker - my all time favorite fighter. Started his career in the mid-80s and retired in 2001 (tho because of drugs and inactivity...the REAL Sweet Pea retired looooong before that). He was arguably last generation, but for the sake of arguement, I will include him.

Jones - You are arguing resume, then bringing up ROY JONES??? I love Roy....but be serious. If Hops resume sucks.......then Roy's is worse. NOW, Hops resume doesnt suck....and Roys doesnt either, but I just wanted to show how ridiculous you sound arguing resume, then bringing up Jones.

But to his status of best of the generation....He fought lesser opponents than Hop. He faded later in his career and failed to reinvent himself to stay elite the way Bernard had. Plus Hopkins dominated for a longer time. Hop is above him now....sorry, just the truth.

Mayweather - HAHAHAH, your kidding right? I wont waste my time with this one.

Okay, so that puts the list (of the fighters YOU named) like this.

1-Sweet Pea (more accurately last generation, but)
2-Hopkins
3-Jones
4-Floyd

Again, ARGUABLY, the best of this generation....

DONE!!!

This is the longest post I think I have ever written, so Im just gonna stop now.....(thank god)....I thank all of you that took the time to read it....and Jack, I hope you learned a few things....

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bingo :good

 

sues 2nd, I haven't seen a beat-down like that since Calzaghe obliterated Lacy. Excellent work.

 

drink to that:hey

 

Hopkins is surely an all time great.
He's reigned as the p4p champ for a good time, he's had 20 defenses as the true mw champion, he's then moved up to lhw and beat Tarver, and now beaten Wright at catchweight.
You might argue that Tito and Oscar are two overrated names on his resume because they were blown up, but Hopkins fought em all, one by one.
The perfect closure to this saga is Hopkins moving down to MW and dethroning Taylor and regaining his MW title and WALKS AWAY :happy

 

No, I was joking with the "don't bring it in", thing. I fully agree with you, Hopkins shows strength late that others simply do not, and would have registered many more knockouts than he did already with twelve rounders, if they could go longer. Look at Joppy.

 

A lot of people post on here without actually watching many of someone's fights, and still commenting as if they've followed the person since their Amateur days.

Anyone who thinks Hopkins can't go 15 rounds is a joke, and is not worth responding to.

 

Woah! Easy there pickle!:good

Hopkins is an atg no doubt but I think your getting a little carried away there.

 

Concerning the Hopkins-Monzon debate, I'd like to point out that Hopkins only made SIX defences of the UNDISPUTED Middleweight championship.

 

True, but the flipside to that is that the guys of bygone eras would have picked up alphabet "title" defences instead of just being contenders in non-title fights.

Monzon would likely have held some sort of world title a few years earlier than he did had their been four sanctioning bodies in operation.
Which half answers your next point too :

Maybe. Maybe not. I dont remember many people calling Hopkins great before he beat Trinidad, and how long ago was that ? 5 or 6 years ?

I think it's debatable as to whether Hopkins' or Monzon's opposition was better.
Monzon beat Griffith, Benvenuti, Valdes, Briscoe, Napoles ..... all very good fighters.

 

For me, the doubts were erased long ago. Just the way B-Hop keeps himself in condition & looks after his body, is an achievement in itself. These days, hardly any fighters look after themselves, only a handful.

Hopkins has just out-classed a guy who was ranked high on the P4P ratings, not sure how high Winky was?

While he still can perform & most importantly, enjoys training, attending the gym, he should carry on boxing & stay active, providing all of Hopkins' faculties are in-check.

Without doubt, the most disciplined sports person I've ever known of!

 

I really dont care for the BS argument about best of the genereation but Tarver and Johnson are only rated the way they are because of Jones.....Tarver was just an awkward fighter who wasnt afraid of Roy and longer and just had the style to beat a past his prime RJJ....then Glen got sloppy seconds....then the two fought each other....man blease Tarver and Johnson neither have done anything to be making them notches on a resume...you use the excuse Tarver was LHW champ so it has to mean summin...well...Gatti was champ when PBF beat him and you see the credit he gets for that fight.....again i dont care bout him being the best of this gen but using Tarver and Johnson is BULLSHYT!