Bernard Hopkins or James Toney...who ranks higher All-Time???

Is this some joke? Kessler's career is yet to be measured.

 

WTF, I didnt even notice that he wrote that. Focused more on the Tiberi/Tito thing...which was shocking enough.

Wow...all I can say is WOW!

atsch

 

Wow..? So if DLH or Trinidad were to move up to SMW and fight Calzaghe only then would that make him priviledged enough to even carry Hopkins' jockstrap?

 

I'm sure you knew that a Hearns' first fight at MW was against Hagler right? But why do so few people hold it against Hagler for beating the smaller man while Hopkins seems to get obliterated for beating Trinidad, who had had another fight at MW before the Hopkins fight and had attained one of the belts at MW by beating Joppy?

 

Hearns won belts as high as.. what.. lightheavyweight, right?

Kessler = better than every opponent Hopkins' has ever beaten.

 

One fight does not a great fighter make....ya feel me?

I am one poster on this forum who totally backs Calzaghe's resume at every turn. Its a DAMN GOOD resume. Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, etc. Nothing at all to sneeze at. Some on here tend to underrate it severely...but you my friend, are severly OVERRATING IT due to one fight.

Hopkins beat Tito and Oscar, yes. But also beat Johnson, Tarver, Wright, Holmes, Eastman, Joppy, Echols, Taylor (arguably...), etc.

If Calzaghe adds Hopkins...then its close...but right now...be ****ing real.
I could break down why Hopkins resume is great...but you wouldnt listen, so it would be a lesson in futility.

And I love how you decided to answer THAT post of mine...rather than the one blowing up your original arguement.

:good

 

Rather than going to boxrec to find your info, why dont you actually research the fighters career.

Hearns, tho one of my all time favorites, NEVER accomplished **** at MW and above. He was at best a good fighter past 160....but a HOFer below it.

 

Before Calzaghe beat Kessler I felt their resumes were about even, I might've even leaned more towards Hopkins at the time, but since Calzaghe's win over Kessler?... Calzaghe all day. All's Hopkins has over Calzaghe are wins over sports celebrities.

 

So Bika, Reid, Eubank, Mitchell and Lacy were on par with Tito, Johnson, Oscar, Tarver, Winky, Echols, Eastman and Joppy????

You are delusional.

 

Hearns = underrated at MW.

And as long as we're on the subject of Hearns.. does Hopkins have a win over a fighter as good as Virgil Hill? :yep

 

:rofl


You insult MY intelligence and then you go on to claim that the Oscar De La Hoya win somehow compares with wins over Mitchell, Reid, Eubank, or Bika?

 

All i'm saying is that history seems to ignore the fact that Hearns made his first venture to MW against the best at MW in Hagler. While on the other hand, some Hopkins critics seem to be so harsh on Hopkins for beating Tito. I mean life isn't perfect. You seldom have two "elite" fighters at the same weight, in their prime, going at it. It's usually one guy who is a bit smaller moving up.

Heck, Tito was supposed to fight RJJ at a catchweight. I mean Tito was that highly touted before fighting Hopkins that people thought Tito actually had a shot against RJJ. But in retrospect, Tito had no shot.

 

:-(

 

I give him credit for beating Tito, I always have. I'm just trying to compare Hopkins' opponents with that of Calzaghe's to show why I feel Calzaghe's resume is a bit superior.

 

You talk of your intelligence yet talk only of Oscar and Tito, yet ignore the rest of his fantastic resume.

And while we are at it. Lets look at the names you just mentioned.

Eubank - was past his best when Joe beat him. 0-2 afterwards before retiring.

Reid - Close fight, some feel he won.

Mitchell - The same guy who went 0-1-1 vs Girard? Also the one who lost to Calzaghe and didnt fight again for 4 years...when he also lost.

Bika - BIKA?????!!!!! Whose claim to fame is winning the latest Contender...along with the likes of such future HOFers as Sergio Mora, or Grady Brewer!!!!

Oh you have sooooooooooooo changed my mind there.

atsch

See, you can break anyones resume down however you like.

(and BTW, I dont believe a THING about what I said above with Calzaghe's resume...but its the EXACT same thing as what you are doing to Bernard's)