Bernard Hopkins - Roy Jones Jr. Who is better All Time.

I have alot of you guys posts to answer here, but Im gonna start with this one....

That is not the "bottom line". Plenty of fighters would be favored over other fighters prime for prime, yet it doesnt mean that they would be better all time.

This is the same train of thought as "ROY BEAT HOPKINS....HE BETTAH!!!"...which is another load of rubbish if you are trying to assess all time rankings.

Put it this way, you may find quite a few people that will tell you that Lennox Lewis would be a very tough matchup for Ali....but even those who believe he would win head to head will tell you that Lewis didnt have near the career Ali had and would easily put Ali ahead All Time.

Your train of thought shows you are one thing....a Roy Jones fan. Attempt to look at this more subjectively then post again....

I may leave a few posts in row here, as there are alot of you I want to reply to...

 

This one actually made me laugh....:good

 

OKAY, hudson, you have already shown you have no idea what you are talking about.

You never read my original post, then started bashing it....I know this, because someone later posted basically an EXACT summary of what I wrote and you said....and I quote.

Now you said that about someone who said everything I said, only less in depth.

Then, when someone (Evis, not myself *******) that Hopkins had never been hurt. AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE ECHOLS THING!!! To which I said, the only thing that hurt Hopkins in that fight was the bodyslam.

Evis, posted a screenshot to show that the punch Echols dropped Hopkins with was an illegal punch....one in which Hopkins got right back up from and proceeded to destroy Echols afterward. This punch didnt hurt him at all....and you would know this if you ACTUALLY SAW THE FIGHT...something we have proven you havent.

Now, if you wanted to argue that Hopkins had been hurt with a (legal) punch in the ring, and you had really known you ****...you would have mentioned Mercado...who dropped Hopkins twice...tho both were flash KDs. But at least you wouldnt be arguing that Echols hurt Hop with an illegal punch first of all....AND, in reality, Hopkins got right up and wasnt fazed by it.

Now, noone claimed it didnt happen, we said that the only time Hopkins was hurt was by the bodyslam...something that EVERYONE who watched the fight knows as the truth. Your continued lack of sense by arguing this is only further embarassing you.

You sir are full of ****. Please, let it die. We have proved you wrong enough, get over it. Your only marring a good, unbiased, fairly assessed post.

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Well, one also might add that Hopkins was not in his prime...and by most accounts neither was Jones.

But, that should be counted as a quality win for Jones....but not the end all be all of ones arguement on whom is better all time.

Douglas beat Tyson...Tyson is better all time.

Garcia beat Raph Marquez...Marquez is better all time.

I could go on and on all day with examples....examples of not past their prime fighters losing to lesser all time fighters.

Just because Jones beat Hopkins, it doesnt automatically rate him higher.

I wish people would stop saying this nonsense....it is the dumbest arguement going.

 

Listen, I am far from a Hopkins nut hugger/Roy hater....if you read my post you would know this...but if people want to point out that Tito and Oscar were smaller fighters, then by the simple laws of physics show us the Duran, Leonard and Hearns were also.

You are an obvious a Jones fan....which is fine, but this post is supposed to be an objective look on the subject....so bring the rubbish somewhere else.

Plus, even back on what you said. Oscar, Tito and Wright (the three WWs that Hop beat at higher classes) were just as good if not better than anyone else he could have fought.

Another thing that you are not looking at fairly is the fact of the weak MW division that Hopkins dominated....but you fail to mention the weak LHW division that Jones dominated. So while Hopkins was fighting Tito, Oscar and Wright (all former top 5 p4p fighters I might add), Roy was fighting Glen Kelley and Richard Hall. Roy didnt fight the better fighters....that is undeniable...he fought the bigger ones....not the better ones.

Listen I am a fan of both fighters....I find myself amazed at how unfairly most people are attempting to look at this. This was my reason for making this post....too many garbage, one sided ones out there.

Please, attempt to keep it unbiased.

 

I dont agree so much on the prime vs prime thing, but you bring up some great points...most notably that their fight in 93 WAS NOT EITHER OF THEIR PRIMES...

But back to the prime vs prime thing....

Hopkins in his prime was not the high output KO artist he was early in his career (in this fight in other words). Roy WAS the same type of fighter he was in that fight....tho admittingly much improved. The point is, the fighter that Roy beat that night had entirely reinvented himself by the time he hit his prime (which is an arguable point when his prime even was....probably the hardest fighter in history to pinpoint). The fight would not have unfolded like it did that night.

Now Im not saying Jones would have lost or won...just that the defensive, savy, almost perfect BOXER that Hopkins became would have given Jones a tough night.