Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Frazier

Depends what you go for, beating Ali is leagues better than any of Hopkins wins. Hopkins has longevity and depth to his resume and is a more complete boxer

 

one win in the biggest fight ever made eclipses 20 crap defenses of roy jones old IBF belt . hopkins earned legendary status after he moved up from middleweight, after he stopped feasting on former welterweights

Ali-Frazier trilogy
Hopkins-Robert Allen trilogy

you decide

 

I ask you this, at Joe Frazier's peak was he better then B-hops?

That is how I figure they look at it.. and although Joe Frazier's is shorter, I feel beating the closest thing to Prime Ali before Ali had ever been beaten shadows the closest thing B-hop has in comparison.

Legacy wise? B-hop oldest man to win the title; but I really feel like his overall Legacy has been hurt by him quitting and acting a fool so many times.. trying to play at benefit of the doubt. Where as Frazier's corner had to call the fight for him past his prime because he wasn't going to stop.

Has B-hop accomplished a greater number of great things over a longer period? Yes he has.

I will also say, I compare Joe vs Ali FOTC to Hop vs Jones 1.. in terms of greatest of all persons involved.

 

I have Hopkins higher. Somewhere inside the top 45, Joe's more around the 60-70 range at a guess.

 

Oh for goodness sakes, I thought this was a HTH match-up

 

Fraizer was fighting over 200lbs. We don't know what Hopkins would look like at 200lbs, he probably would look like a marshmallow. Fraizer by TKO. Hopkins can't even handle guys like Calzaghe or Dawson, let alone Fraizer.

 

Hopkins by a ways...

 

****ing hell ripple read the thread atsch

 

Hopkins and it's not really close.

If we're going to bring up Joe's win over Ali as an argument closer then Frazier is top 3 ATG and there shouldn't be any doubt about that, very few (if any) fighters have a win that good but that doesn't mean they're inferior in their greatness. Although i'm sure there are people on here who'd rate Frazier over Whitaker in greatness aswell.

 

Hmm tough one here. Almost a toss up, have to give the edge to Hopkins.

 

Is this poll for real?

A) Joe never once CHEATED in a boxing match.
B) Never faked he was injured
C) Not a ****ing racist ****

 

I'm not disputing the greatness of the win or the people who want to use that as a plus point for Frazier when comparing the two, I was making a point about people who want to look at that win and based off that one win wanted to close the argument as to say 'well Frazier beat Ali so it's Frazier for me'

 

Shame I was never filled in on the criteria for greatness, I guess we can remove both Ali (wife beater) and Ray Robinson (wife beater) and Monzon (murderer) from our ATG lists :-(