Bernard Hopkins vs. Joe Frazier

Lester1583 · Jan 22, 2012

Boxed Ears said: ↑

Ah, yeah, it's definitely got to be more than that or else Max Schmeling would be ranked above almost everybody too. I hope people aren't doing that either, because Frazier's run up to Foreman and even some wins afterward contains a depth that I fear many haven't looked at and don't evaluate properly, if at all, when looking at him, because Ali eats up most of the positive discussion on him. If we look at the NYSAC title of the time, they're no less legit than Hopkins' IBF title and with that, we have double-digit title fight victories for Frazier, also, with very good good scalps in Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis and some other noteworthy names, like Chuvalo and Bugner, and taking a few 0's to boot, which is always nice.

Also, it's been mentioned, even by me that Frazier's not as diverse as Hopkins, but, that said, the style that he had, imo, he was good enough with it for me to consider him the greatest inside fighter of the heavyweight division. To me, though not completely, it does make up for not having the best versatility, to a large extent. And, again, going back to the fact that he proved his style at basically the highest level and Hopkins, though more versatile, didn't prove any style he can do, on that level. It must be considered, regardless of how much weight you give it.
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Some good points, BE.

crippet · Jan 22, 2012

Its established that Joe has the best win

So lets look at defeats Joe has Ali and Foreman

Nard has Taylor and Calzaghe

So Fraziers only defeats are against elite ATGs whereas Hopkins lost to lower level fighters
Factoring in longevity Hopkins lost to twice as many fighters as Frazier

It's got to be Frazier all day everyday

timeout · Jan 22, 2012

Arcane said: ↑

Shame I was never filled in on the criteria for greatness, I guess we can remove both Ali (wife beater) and Ray Robinson (wife beater) and Monzon (murderer) from our ATG lists :-(
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Thats up to you.
My standards are a little bit better than yours I guess.atschatsch

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