Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler - One Last Time

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  1. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime for prime, at their very best.

    who wins and by what? describe how you think the fight plays out.

    I think Hopkins wins, by a pretty clear decision. Hopkins has got a few inches in height over Hagler, I'd say his hands are quicker. I imagine that it'd be a tactical fight, which would favor Hopkins IMO. Hopkins would make Hagler lead, neutralize his right jab and counter him coming in with sharp, quick right hands. I think he'd also frustrate Hagler with his movement, defense and counterpunching skills and definitely wouldn't allow Hagler to impose his strength on him in close quarters.

    Hopkins is too cagey for Hagler IMO.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I too see Hopkins winning a tight, tight decision.

    I just think that Hopkins has the combo of generalship, smarts and swagger to make Hagler a little reticent.

    Be a tight decision though - arguments would abound.
     
  3. sarah ross

    sarah ross New Member Full Member

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    Sweet Lord, I like BHOP but he is a lot better to read about than actually watch fight. Marvin Hagler is in a different league. Hopkins is very slick and a
    master of defense but he has or never will be in the ring with anything close
    to the killing machine that was Marvin Hagler. Hopkins has always fought at
    an ultra measured pace, Hagler would make him fight every minute of every
    round. Hopkins is great at intimidating his opponents but this would be a
    waste against Hagler, Marvin was fearless. I see Hagler stopping Hopkins in
    about the 10th round. Hopkins is a very good champion but Hagler would walk
    through him in a one sided destruction. Hagler is no Echols, Eastman, Allen,
    Tarver, Trinidad or even a blown up Oscar.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It should also be said that Hopkins will be the most dangerous fighter that Hagler has ever been in with.



    I doubt there have been very many fighters who have entered the ring hoping to win, who have not set out to make Bernard fight at an uncomfortable pace. Few have succeeded.


    He was fearless - but I think that he could be messed with . There are those who would dispute it but I feel that he was not entirely right mentally for the Duran fight, and he was not entirely right mentally for the Leonard fight. Hopkins is THE modern master at this kind of thing. It is my beleif that his jail time aids him in this matter. He is a master of the stare down, in fact his whole attitude to eye contact is interesting. Also - he is a wonderful ring general with a very difficult style. All this may add up to an uncertainty that Hagler could ill afford.



    I would suggest that only the very best heavyweights could manage this little trick, and that the middleweight capable of such a thing never has been, or will be born.
     
  5. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure you haven't seen Hopkins in his prime, around 1997
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You really think that was his prime? I think Hopkins is a complicated fighter when it comes to primes. I also think he's a victim of his times - here's a guy who would be much better over 15 rounds. And probably better again over 20!
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Very rarely do champions walk through other great champions, and this isn't one of those cases. Hagler and Hopkins would be a hell of a fight and a close fight as well.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Spot on and very wise.
     
  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I agree with Assasin"s saying this is a toss up>

    I like Hopkins" chances here> He has a significant height and reach advantage< and he knows how to use it> Hagler would have to make this an inside fight< and he would be competative there> I believe that Hopkins would still be able to create distance when he needed< and outpoint Hagler
     
  10. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I like Hagler.
    He takes more chances and would force the action.
    Hagler UD
     
  11. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler would be way too dangerous for Hopkins. Even if it came down to a boxing match which I think Hopkins would try to do, Hagler's style would be too sophisticated for him and Marvin's movement would throw him off making it impossible for X to connect, catching mostly air, gloves or shoulders.

    Even in the remote possibility he was able to connect with regularity, Hopkins problem is he didn't have above average power while most of Hagler's opposition did.

    On the + side, Hopkins was a pretty well rounded fighter. I would classify him as soild but unspectacular.

    Another problem would be Hagler's right hook. A few of those to Hopkins' skull and that's going to take the fight out of him just as it did with Hamsho in the rematch. So there's no way Bernard's going to last very long, let alone the full route.

    The only thing that might help Hopkins is the fact that Hagler doesn't get motivated for fighters who don't pose a threat to him so he might go easy on X and allow him to last the distance. Hagler might not consider Hopkins enough of a threat because of losing to one handed Roy.

    You all remember the Roy Jones fight with Roy winning handily.
    Surely Hagler could do no less. Between these two, victory can only go to Hagler. No way can I envision a scarario where Hopkins comes out winner. It defies all logic.
     
  13. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler at his best was the most complete fighter I have seen.

    Hopkins was a great fighter but his low work rate would cost him the fight against a non-stop agressive Marvin Hagler.

    Hagler UD Hopkins
     
  14. Raggamuffin

    Raggamuffin You dipstick Full Member

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    Hagler by UD
    Hopkins is a great fighter but i don't think he will remembered as a ATG, especially in MW. Hagler pours on the pressure, sinks in destruct and destroy mode and that is to much. Hopkins would battle his hart out though
     
  15. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    I'll say Hagler, I think he'd edge out a close split decision due to his offensive output being higher during the latter rounds. This one really could really go either way, though tbh.