Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler - One Last Time

It would be THE super fight at 160.

 

Excuse me but Hagler is no Johnson. And I followed Hopkins career and all of his fights so let me ask you, did you see an active Hopkins in the ring in front of De La Hoya, Taylor, Joppy ? The kind of fighter who has good boxing abilities.

I said low work rate YES and this is the reason he losts his undisputed championship against a good fighter (not great like Hagler).

My point is Hopkins is very cautious against true opposition (cf. DLH, Tito, Taylor fights) and there is no doubt that Hagler is in another league than these guys plus he is a true middleweight and a southpaw.

 

Prime Hopkins easily matches any tempo Hagler offers to him, and he's more accurate and clever both as a counter-puncher and at in-fighting. Hopkins takes this, something like 10-5, and that's a favorable score for Hagler.

 

We all saw much younger Hagler being hyper-active vs Leonard and Duran. The way he paced himself in those fights was pathetic.

 

Pathetic you say ? But that is why he won those fights.

 

Totally agree.

 

Erm, he's already cemented in.

 

Agree with that last point, JohnThomas1. Hopkins doesn't get quite enough respect at MW of my liking: I have him at #5, maybe you could argue for even higher.

That said I'd still pick Hagler over him head-to-head. It's sure almost a 50/50 fight though.

 

Hagler. He's just the better man.

 

It will be close, but when push comes to shove, Hagler will be the one more willing to put his foot on the accelerator and walk through anything he needs to to get the win. I can't see Hopkins stealing championship rounds off Hagler, it just wouldn't happen.

 

An awful lot of boxers who have been acclaimed as ATGs were beneficiaries of the 12 round limit, and would be mere footnotes in the 15 round era. B-Hop is different.

It's disastrous that Hopkins never had a chance to prove his greatness and consistency over the true championship length of title fights, and ruinous for boxing in general. X's current kayo total would be considerably higher than 32, if he had three more rounds to work with in his matches. A real throwback in many respects, it's criminal what boxing has done to itself in depriving B-Hop of the legacy he truly deserves.

As I've stated repeatedly, boxing's decline as a mainstream attraction can be directly traced to the abolition of the 15 round distance. Yet, one of the greedy cretins responsible for destroying boxing's popular appeal by shortening the limit, Sulamain (which is Mexican for ****) was just inducted into a HOF of a sport he's helped eradicate from the headlines, and into a niche interest, along with midget bowling and female sumo wrestling. Nihilistic *******!

Bernard Hopkins is a man among pansies, but walking turds like Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza (which is Spanish for cocksucker), Bob Lee (which is Swahili for snot), Dong King (which is Zulu for stale donkey spunk), and Bob Arum (which is olde English for rancid elk afterbirth) have ruined the general public's interest in boxing, by shortening the maximum distance enough so that lazy, undisciplined, steroid inflated wimps can succeed in what used to be a sport for tough, durable, aerobically well-conditioned and dedicated competitors like B-Hop. Now, we have a former undisputed HW champion who wants to compete against girls!

The way boxing is going now, the use of vaseline between rounds will be replaced by the reapplication of makeup in two years, and the main accessory of choice for the boxing trainer in administering massage will be a dildo.

Perhaps one day, the aforementioned names and their ilk will stop blowing the flaccid pricks, and eating out the stale twats of the policy directors running the AMA, and we'll all be able to follow contemporary boxing again. In all liklihood though, boxing will further devolve into a limit of four two minute rounds, with no striking allowed above the sternum, and the mandated helmets with face masks which helped turn a once macho hockey game into a girls sport. (Think about this: In the early 1970's, Derek Sanderson of the Boston Bruins was the highest paid player in all of team sports. In ten years time, the NHL MVP will be a player named Wanda, assuming the NHL still exists.)

This shouldn't be surprising. NASA has gone from seven Mercury astronauts who had the right stuff, to diaper wearing girls. (NASA needs more dykes, and so does the military. We need a culture where men are men, and so are women, not one where girls are girls and so are men!)

Bernard Hopkins is a man dammit, and so is Hagler. Boxing could use more of those right about now.

I can't even look at Playboy magazine anymore, since Christie Hefner took over. Sandra Burnsoft on the cover, and trannies as the centerfolds? Photoshopped images? Muhammad Ali versus Laila? Bull****! I'll retreat back into the safety and promise of nostalgia.


Sorry I got carried away folks, but this pisses me off!

 

:good Good post, i agree...

 

Hagler and Hopkins have very similar psychologies. Both men have real beefs that they artificially expanded in their heads to fuel anger -which is their natural disposition. Both men suffered and became stronger because of it. Hagler reminds of me of a cannibal who ate the flesh of the vanquished while they twitched at his feet. Hopkins's flesh is too tough to consu e.

Forget heaviest opponents, these two in the same ring would see the best conditioned athletes, ever, competing. If it weren't 15 rounds it would be a tragedy and a rip off.

And it would be even money on the books. As for me, I'd take Hagler. In Hoplkins he would meet a man who is as well-trained, as determined, and who carries the same ghetto rage into the ring. Skill-for-skill, I'd call them even. Strategically, Hopkins has the edge. Power goes to Hagler, physical strength goes to Hagler, durability and chin is edged by Hagler. Experience... and here is the clincher for me... goes to Hagler. Hagler saw more stylistic challenges and has the more formidable resume. Thus, I think that Hagler would pose more unanswered questions to Hopkins than vice versa.

Hagler UD.

 

Styles make fights...

Hopkins of 2001 beats any version of Hagler

But Hopkins of any other time loses to Hagler of 77 to 83 vintage.