Bernard Hopkins- You are the man !

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  1. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    What is hyperbole, Alex? I'll take exaggeration again for $500.
     
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  2. TommyV

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    9 Muhammad Ali
    10 Pernell Whitaker

    Haven't given it much thought though. Your ******ed if you think Hopkins is a top 10 p4p all-time great, and even more ******ed if you rank him above Whitaker and Roy Jones amongst others as the greatest fighter of the last 20 years.
     
    TommyV, Jul 18, 2008
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  3. MrMagic

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    Spot on man :good

    There just ain't no way he's a top 10 p4p ATG, NO WAY.
     
    MrMagic, Jul 18, 2008
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  4. gilad

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    If you botherd to read my list, you will see I have whitaker ahead of B-hop, only just. And I said that B-hop is the best in the last 20 years but I meant he is the best since the prime Whitaker.
    And yes, I definitly have him ahead of Jones, who wasted his prime years (1994-2003) fighting bums and guys coming off loses, and has only one great win (Toney) and three very good ones (young Hopkins, Hill and Ruiz), not to mention three humiliating loses.
     
    gilad, Jul 18, 2008
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  5. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sure.........
    The Toney win alone shits all over any of B-Hops wins though :oops:
     
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  6. gilad

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    I agree. It's better than any of B-hop's wins, but it's not enough to place him over Hopkins, who never got beat up in the ring, unified and dominated the second most important division in boxing for a decade, and has four undisputed very good - great wins (Tito, Johnson, Winky, Tarver) and at least one (for me two) very good win that should have been (Taylor).
     
    gilad, Jul 18, 2008
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  7. MrMagic

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    Give me one MW's name on his list to make him a top5 ATG then.:smoke

    He's definitely top10 though.
     
    MrMagic, Jul 18, 2008
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  8. gilad

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    Which all time top 10 middleweight did Marvin Hagler fight ? That's the thing, these guys were so dominant that none of the other fighters on their era was on their level. But you can argue that both Hopkins and Hagler beat a top 10 all time junior middleweight (Winky, Hearns) and a top 10 all time welterweight (Tito, Duran). What gives Hopkins the edge over Hagler, in my book, is the win over Tarver and winning the lightheavyweight title at the age of 41, something even the best, SRR, failed to do.
     
    gilad, Jul 18, 2008
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  9. gilad

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    After years as a middleweight, Jumping up two weight divisions straight to face the champ at the age of 41 and while aged 41-44 facing 4 arguably top 5 pound for pound fighters in row (definitely top 10) and three undefeated top fighters (two of them can be his sons). That's brave baby. That's hardcore. He's the man - Period.
     
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  10. Jack Presscot

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    Calzaghe, and Jermain "Drain the main vein in Bernard's mouth" Taylor, as well as RJJ all own a piece of the Cream of Wheat man's Golden Boy owned ass. B-Hop ducked James Toney and still ducks him. He is neither as crafty, nor as talented as James Toney, who remains as the only throw back fighter in the sport. Nobody cares about Borenard's overrated reign, of victories over William Joppy, something called Robert Allen three times, Howard Eastman, and Morrade Hakkar. In fact, Hopkins-Hakkar is notorious as the worst fight in the history of the sport. With this defense, Bernard Hopkins nearly dragged boxing to the level of the WWF. :deal :bart :hi:
     
    Jack Presscot, Jul 18, 2008
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  11. sues2nd

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    From a pure skill and craftiness (I believe what the original poster was referring to by craftiness was ring generalship and ring intellect...two things Bernard is arguably THE BEST EVER at)??? What is so ******ed (ironic given your avatar) about that?
     
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  12. sues2nd

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    Good list...tho Hopkins (as much as I love him) doesnt belong in that group if we are talking ATGs. And you will be hard pressed to find a bigger Hopkins fan, nor someone more knowledgable about his career.

    I have him at #30.
     
    sues2nd, Jul 18, 2008
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  13. Jack Presscot

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    Do not mention Borenard Hoke-kins in the same breath as "Ali" "Clay" or "Robinson" when talking about Oscar de la Hoya's shoeshine boy. Bernard Hopkins could not carry threads from the jockstraps of these two REAL champions.
     
    Jack Presscot, Jul 18, 2008
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  14. Jack Presscot

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    30 is too high. This guy is amazing, he would probably swallow boatloads of Bernard's hot semen, and ask for seconds. Bernard doesnt belong on ANY P4P GOAT list. He was a good, not great middleweight champion who folded when he faced Young Taylor.
     
    Jack Presscot, Jul 18, 2008
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  15. Jack

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    If Hopkins beats Pavlik he should scrape into the top 100 all-time. You have to include the fact that although undefeated, Pavlik would be well above his prime weight against a naturally bigger guy.

    Fighting smaller guys with no proven class at the weight is Hopkins' forte anyway. Pity for him it backfired against Joe Calzaghe.

    Just thinking about it, is there any good reason why Calzaghe/Hopkins shouldn't have been at 168lbs?
     
    Jack, Jul 18, 2008
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