Bernard Hopkins- You are the man !

Max Kellerman couldnt wipe my ass as far as boxing knowledge, all he does is annoy HBO subscribers, with his bug eyes, and stupid analogies, and miserable predictions. If you put a black fighter in front of Kellerman, he gets about as excited as a sexy young white woman upon seeing footage of "ManDingo"

 

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He's getting in the ring with a prime top ten p4p boxer; whatever the reasons are he still deserves credit for that.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl What a joke. Hopkins NEVER achieved more than Hagler. Hagler beat the best of the best of his era. Hearns and Duran, and nearly outpointed Leonard. Those three Legends alone are easily better than ANYONE Hopkins has faced. Hagler would have moped the canvas with the ugly ass Aunt Esther like face of Borenard Hopkins, AKA "Hoke" from Driving Miss Daisy.

 

So Hagler beat the best of his era in Hearns and Duran....and nearly outpointed Leonard.

But Hopkins beat a blown up Tito and Oscar...and nearly outpointed Calzaghe.

This is your outlook on things huh? Lets break it down a bit.

Hearns - WW
Duran - LW
Leonard - WW who won a close fight (tho I feel Hagler won)

Tito - WW
Oscar - LW
Calzaghe - SMW who won a close fight

I love Hagler, one of my all time favs...but this is insanely hypocrytical if you ask me...:yep

Now quote me and say something ignorant about Hopkins race...be predictable....please.

 

His race has little to do with anything. His face however, graces the cover of the Cream of Wheat box, and every morning as I am about to eat breakfast, I need to turn the ****ing box around, so I can stomach my food.

PLEASE do not compare Trinidad, Calzaghe and ESPECIALLY ****ing gay de la Hoya to the Fab Four in the future, Oscar de la Hoya couldnt carry the jockstrap of even Hearns.

 

I think it should be said that Hopkins has stated that he was a natural 175lber. According to Dan Birmingham, Winky was a natural 154lber who moved up for bigger fights and could still fight at 154lbs now.

I disagree. Even though Wright didn't ever rely on physical attributes, such as strength or speed, it's still a nessecity. You can't come into any big fight being visibly out of shape. He looked like Ruslan Chagaev when he rolled his way into the ring.

One thing I did notice was Winky's stamina. I can't remember see him getting tired in any fight. He threw 1000 punches against Quartey with little problems. He was in a more physical fight aainst Taylor with no problems, so the obvious answer to him getting fatigued in the Hopkins bout would be his weight.

It's his own fault, definetly. But it does take away from Hopkins' performance against him.

I agree with this in principle. It's very easy to look back on a fight and say "Well, he was a bum anyway" or "He couldn't take a punch". Anything like that. However, in the Winky/Hopkins example, I think there is a valid point in there. What Winky proved in going up, was that he couldn't handle the additional weight. There is a valid reason why this win is tainted.

Anyway, if Hopkins beat WInky at 160lbs, it would have been his greatest win. No doubt about it.

 

Hopkins fought a couple times at LHW to start his career(well really above 160...not nessessarily at LHW)...but eventually moving down to MW because, as he has stated he felt more comfortable and natural there.

He stayed there for pretty much 15 years...only moving up because he couldnt make 160 anymore (and how could he...he is 40+). Remember, he was going to move up after the FIRST Taylor fight because his body couldnt do it...only staying for obvious reasons.

Remember, he regularly came into the ring BELOW 160 during his career...and 160-165 was his regular walking around weight.

Its really not accurate or fair to call Hopkins a NATURAL 175lber...if he was, there is NO WAY he could be as dominant for that long a period of time...the physicality of shaving that much weight and being that successful for that long a period of time is impossible.

He threw 1000 punches against Quartey because Quartey's whole style is in front of you....he did much, much, much less (he was actually outworked by Hopkins...something else Hopkins gets zero credit for) vs Bernard because of the way Hopkins uses angles and movement to keep you off balance...and much like Pavlik (tho not the the extreme that Kelly has) Winky isnt effective when throwing off balance...and normally doesnt if he cant set and throw.

I dont agree at all with that. Again, Hopkins was his elder by 6 years...Hopkins was the underdog...Hopkins was suppose to lose...and because Winky train to 170 well, it takes away from Bernard's win? I dont feel thats a fair outlook at all.

Its the same old thing...we praise a fighter for moving up, yet if he loses, we blast his opponent.

Even if we do take a bit away because of Winky's poor training...do we forget about everything else and just chalk it up as a so-so win?

Winky was still a WONDERFULLY skilled fighter. Winky was still a top 5 pfper. Winky was still favored to win. Bernard was still 40+. Bernard still hit Winky cleaner and at a better rate than anyone had in YEARS. Bernard STILL won the fight.

As I said, mention he didnt hold the weight well...but try to belittle the win because of that...ya just cant.

In all honesty, how many people would have really picked Winky in that one?

 

The amount of manlove for the overrated Borenard Hoke-kins, AKA "Old Man River" aka "Cream of Wheat man" aka "Jermain's young son" aka JC's little boy, aka " Hoke from Driving Miss Daisy" aka "Aunt Esther" is mind boggling. We arent talking about Sugar Ray Robinson, ladies, but a man who is too chicken**** to go toe to toe and FEARS James Toney.

 

I don't think there is a fighter alive that gets more man love than Pavlik !

I mean his wins over Lockeet and Miranda are enough for people to thinks he's already an atg !

Its going to be a sad day in Pavlik wet dream land when he gets Executed !:bbb

 

Yeah Bhops belongs to the museum now . . . along with the dinasaurs and the java man. :good

 

To be fair, Hopkins said he was a natural 175lber himself. Looking at his record, I would say he was a natural middleweight myself, though.

It is possible that he was a natural light heavyweight who, by keeping himself around the 160lb limit, ensured he could fight 15lbs below what he should have been at.

Oh, I agree about Quartey without a doubt. My point was not about how many punches Winky threw but how many he could physically throw. Basically, his stamina in the two fights. Hopkins was always going to reduce his workrate dramatically, but if he is capable of throwing 1000 plus punches with ease, he shouldn't have gassed so early in a much slower fight.

But it wasn't a 100% Winky, so how can you not take anything away from Hopkins? Yeah, it was a really good performance from him, but did he beat a great opponent on that night? I don't think so. He beat a shadow of the Winky Wright who worked his way into the P4P lists.

Me!

 

actually i bet on Hopkins against Winky and he was a slight favorite

edit. my bad, slight underdog. Got even odds on Hopkins so Winky must've been 3/4 or something

 

Your instincts were sound. Although I was praying for an upset, I knew that Cream of Wheat man Hops was gonna beat Stinky. Although in that fight it was worthless vs. worthless. James Toney would beat them both on the same night. :good :smoke