Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins vs 'Hands Of Stone' Roberto Duran

What do they say? "You can lead a fool to the truth but you can't make him think".Something like that.

 

Of course he was known for blowing up between fights, so why all of a sudden he is not the same fighter he was when Leonard beat him/made him quit? That's just so bogus. He was also big when he fought Iran Barkely at middleweight, did he not win? My uncle also has his autobiography and i have read it twice. I have my knowledge about him, i think you should worry about revisiting Leonard and the tactical mistakes that he corrected.

 

You are begging to be on my ignore. First you challenge me for proof in that Jack Johnson thread, and when i give you the proof you completely ignore it and say that '' anyone writes articles''. Then you challenge me again and tell me to come up with more proof, then i accept it and you don't even respond to the post. Now, you call me a fool for stating MY opinion.

 

Well, when he´s right he´s right.

I´ll stop now discussing with you. There´s a saying here in Germany that fits right well. Don´t argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

 

Great, because what you have shown and proven to me is that you don't have any facts or knowledge about this topic, so instead you just say I'm wrong instead of backing it up with anything and proving your point. Facts are facts. Duran was the same fighter he was in the first fight, and there is no way that you could seriously say that he was all of a sudden out shape five months removed from the biggest win of his career, and if anything it should have motivated him to follow through with it and beat Leonard again. Give Leonard his due. If people say that Ray only beat him because he was out of shape, then the Leonard fans could say that the only reason he beat Leonard was because Duran got to his head and forced him to fight fire with fire and give up all of his advantages.

 

Well, it´s more about you ignoring anything I wrote than everything else but hey, keep on living in your little dream world :good

 

I don't think Slicksouthpaw has ever posted in a thread where he hasn't made a complete ass of himself.

 

Or he could get widely outboxed like Benitez did but worse. Toney is a worse match up than Hagler for Duran as hes harder to hit while having similar size and power

Also look at the difference in the performance against Barkley

 

Benitez was at jr middleweight and Toney fought Barkley at super-middleweight. Both discounted to a certain degree.

We are talking about Duran at middleweight.

 

We are talking about styles and performances against similar opponents

Who is the most similar to Toney that Duran faced? BEnitez, but Benitez wasnt as powerful/physically strong

Who is the common opponent? Barkley, and Toney was far far more dominant

OK if Toney had 1 of his notorious off nights he may lose. But if he came along 2-3 years earlier and takes Barkleys place then Toney is winning a wide UD and maybe gives Duran a beating or even stops him because Toney would be up for that 1 like nothing else

 

Barkley was a weight drained rapidly fading fighter when he fought Toney.he came back down from light heavy for that fight, as well as being past his prime.

IMo barkley was already looking really bad by the time of the Benn fight.By the time Toney got to him he had a fork sticking out of his ass.No jab, no balance...i could go on.

I expect Toney would have beaten him comfortably at any point in Iran's career, but that win is overblown as a showcase.barkley circa Olajide through Nunn was a much better fighter.

ANd toney isn't anything like Benitez or Barkley anyway.You thnk Duran is going to be trying to take the fight to Toney, like he did with Benitez...c'mon.

it's quite easy to see Duran frustrating and making things close against Toney, even if he doesn't win.James never had a aconsistent jab to rack up easy points and he's never been one for footwork if he can get away with it.

Duran would be tough for Nunn as well.At least as much as Starling.

It's the no nonsense mobile fighters that will have a comfortable night with middleweight Duran.

 

I'm not comparing Toney to Barkley I'm saying look how much more completely Toney dominated the same opponent, this is the only opponent we have to go off.

You forget to mention Barkley was only a year removed from beating HEarns again and 1year removed from capturing the IBF Super Middleweight crown, so whether he was drained at this weight or not is debatable because he only went to 175 to face Hearns again

Who in your opinion is the most similar styled opponent to Toney? for me its Benitez but give your thoughts. Did Duran do well against Defensively slick fighters? No, hence I cant see him doing well against a bigger harder hitting 1

I think the slick huge Nunn would be a bridge too far for Duran

BTW I'm a massive Duran fan but at middleweight against the very best hes just too small

 

I think Duran would do pretty well against Hopkins (but still lose). Hagler could have probably overpowered Duran had he known it, but he overrated the ex-lightweight's danger rating, so he boxed him and didn't fare so well. I'd expect Hopkins to do as good as Hagler did, perhaps slightly better.

 

Hopkins was good at using his height and keeping his opponents where he wanted them. I'd expect him to do better than Hagler did when he was cagey and cautious against Duran over the distance. I can't see Hopkins finishing against Duran with a puffed up left eye. While Hagler was a very resourceful fighter with his punches, Hopkins was even more. Lets not forget, while Hagler wasn't convincing in terms of how he dominated Duran he did win comfortably. He just wasn't authoritive with the way he went about his business. Hopkins beats Duran either way, in a war or a cagey fight.

I think Hopkins wins just as comfortable as Hagler did, excluding what the final cards said of the judges, but wins his rounds more comprehensively.

 

You don't come with facts either, and also sound like someone who is just talking out of their ass and doesn't have any knowledge on the topic. How the hell is Duran out of shape when he just fought the biggest money fight and best opponent of his career that was in his prime and who is a top 10 great? FIVE months later. Get real.