Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins vs 'Hands Of Stone' Roberto Duran

He was out of shape because the rematch was scheduled so soon after numbnuts. Duran had a bad habit of blowing up due to constant eating, partying, and lack of dedication in between fights, and it was especially the case with a fight of that magnitude where he came in at his most motivated and achieved his greatest victory. A WW gaining and losing in excess of 50 pounds in between fights is not good, especially one with Duran's lifestyle out of the ring. He was never going to reach the kind of motivation he did in the first fight again, not directly after achieving and celebrating, and when you take into account how drained he was physically, as well as the other rumors that have been well documented involving cramps(and having the shits more or less) and the like, it's fairly obvious to anyone with a mere moeity of their marbles that he was nowhere near the same fighter as he was in the first fight. Anyone that actually watched the fight with open eyes and understood what they were watching would've seen that. You obviously don't qualify.

You're an imbecile, and you've proven it time and again. Why continue posting on a forum where you're continuously ridiculed and nobody wants you around? Think about it.

 

You have Never Given Proof ,of your previous statement,regarding Jeffries EVER going 40rds ,simply because he NEVER did,this is not the thread to revisit this,out of courtesy to the poster who started this thread I won't pursue it.On this topic ,you have read a book on Duran,and you now have "your knowledge about him",several posters have told you that Duran was not remotely in the same physical condition he was for the Montreal fight ,you have repeatedly said you can see no difference in his condtion in either fight.Do you think it possible the error is yours? Do you think it possible that you have failed to see the difference in a pumped up Duran spitting fire and belligerance fueled with real rancour towards Leonard ,and a disinterested self satisfied Champion who had spent five months eating himself out of shape,not to mention his nocturnal activities,[and Duran was a known cocks man]? Do you think you have missed something ,is it possible? Wether you put me on your ignore list is a matter of sublime indifference to me,to be frank , your opinion on boxing is valueless to me .

 

Give him his due ,he is consistant!

 

Not in any way disagreeing with your post ,just wondering what the term a fork out of his ass means ,[I'm English]? Thanks in advance for the enlighten- ment.

 

It means the person in question is washed up, finished, cooked. In american sports the expression is usually he's got a fork in his back

 

Duran conned Hagler ,who was in his tentative mode as in his Antuofermo fight. Duran's head movement threw Haglers timing off ,imo.and hesitation set in too often,he won without doubt ,but it was not a dominating performance .Hopkins would win rather more emphatically I think.Hagler may have spoke a lot about destruct and destroy ,but usually he was a pragmatic ring mechanic.

 

Thanks very much, I have learnt something new.

 

Slicksouthpaw. Straight forward simple question. And do not mention Duran's name or the rematch with Leonard when you reply, please.


Do you think it's impossible for a fighter to have one fight where he wins and looks good, then 5 months later when stepping into the ring he looks poor due to weight making difficulties?

 

Wouldn't you think he would have tried to follow up and do it again? He is not only a PROFESSIONAL but a legend, and he all of a sudden blows up and not is not as focused as he was before? When the fight is months later? That's just ridiculous. He did that in mostly all of his fights and he most likely did in their first fight as well, but of course since he lost, it doesn't matter and he was not at his best. :-(

He wasn't going to reach that kind of motivation again? What convinces me that point is so ridiculous is the fact that he accomplished great things after Leonard, and including winning the junior middleweight title over the unbeaten favorite in Davey Moore, a fight in which i didn't see being very close. Duran destroyed Moore. He also went up to beat Iran Barkely( who beat Hearns twice) for the middleweight title and gave Hagler all he could handle, so you really have to come up with something else better than that. I seen the fight'' with open'' eyes, and i also seen that Duran was the same as he was in the first fight, and it was LEONARD that made corrected his tacticals mistakes that he made in the first fight. Did he not fight a better fight? Did he not control distance better and was he not more comfortable? He traded with Duran a lot and from early on, it was blakenly aparent that he didn't have the right mind set and let Duran get into his head. So like i said, the Leonard fans can use that as an excuse for Duran beating him in their first fight if people say that Duran was out of shape in their rematch.

Just stop it. With the exception or you and Mcvea( who i am about to put on ignore) no one is feeling this away besides you. I have people that i have brought from boxing-scene here and many people also have told me that i should post here instead of the other site. I can show you the posts as well, so i feel welcome. If you have that much of a problem, then you should have been put me on ignore.

 

Why? When that's what the topic is on.:huh

In this case, yes it is especially when you are on the elite level and entering the second biggest fight of your life, and beat that top 10 great five months earlier. As i have said before and many observers around me have told me personally, that fans come up with this stuff to make their favorite fighter not look bad. In this thread, i didn't see no one mention what Leonard actually did, but instead heard excuses about Duran. Its just ridiculous. Leonard also beat him in their third fight when both of them were past their prime. I'm waiting for this one.

 

You referred to the fight you tool. Awnser my question without Leonard-Duran in your mind. An isolated question.

Is it impossible for a fighter to look good in one fight, then 5 months later look poor due to balooning up in weight and struggling with the scales?

If 5 months isn't possible, what timescale is to you where it does become possible?

Nothing to do with elite level as people do different things between fights. Some fighters like Hopkins keep in shape and don't touch alcohol or junk food. Hopkins never went above 166lbs between fights at middleweight. Hatton loves pizza's and Guinness between fights and clearly gets out of shape. Both are elite level world champions.

Awnser my highlighted points please.

 

I already answered your question. IN THIS CASE, yes its impossible. I have to use Duran because of the important facts that are there. He made the weight five months earlier, and didn't show any signs of fatigue or wearing down and the fight was actually somewhat close, and he physically looked the same that he had always been. If he would have won that fight, then people wouldn't have brought his weight up. It was what Leonard did. Here is the link to part one of the rematch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rku94W6ScPM

It was not even 50 minutes into the fight where Howard Cossell stated that Leonard was already giving Duran more movement then he did in their first fight.


I can go throw 100 fighters that have loss, and their fans just throw the ''weight drained'' excuse in there. Many boxing writers that i have spoke to told me this as well. They said that Adamek was weight drained when he fought Dawson, Jones was weight drained when he fought Tarver in the rematch( even though he beat him the first time) Tarver was weight drained against Hopkins, Corrales weight drained against Mayweather, Hatton weight drained against Mayweather, Leon Spinkis weight drained against Qawi, Mora weight drained against Forrest ectera. These are all fans.

Thanks, because Hatton is actually a perfect example, because i have never seen making weight effect him in fights at all and he like you said, he blows up to about 185 in between fights. He always has excellent condition.

 

Hopkins via a very dull decision verdict where the crowd echos Leonard-Duran III and yells "bull****" for how boring the fight is