Bernards Hopkins "best" win

He's ESB's biggest Turd.

It's now been over 4 weeks since Eddie Hearn publicly tarnished Eubank Snr's name, yet he still hasn't said anything in response.

You don't need to hire Columbo to work out that Eddie was telling the truth.

Turdmaster needs sectioning, and I seriously hope that he isn't a father to anyone.

 

He is p4p ranked, he is prime and he is elite. There really is no debate about any of that.

His victories over Lara, Trout and Cotto prove that much.

 

Tarver probably was drained. But Hopkins was blown up so I'm not fussed.

Wright was probably the best MW in the world. Hopkins used to be the best MW in the world. He'd already twice faced the other man in the argument. Had Hopkins got the decision second time round against Taylor and defended against Wright, no one would bat an eye lid. Take the decision away from Hop and allow an extra 10 pounds for each man and that exactly what happened.

Holmes was ****e in the big picture, but he's one of his peers and a fight that had to happen.

The win that put him on the map. But that Tito doesn't beat Tarver, Wright nor Pascal. 50/50 vs Pavlik

 

You forget the password to your tinman account?

 

I think the Pascal win is definitely up there considering his age at the time.

Again, Wright wasn't a 170 pound fighter. He never had another fight at that weight and was a peak JMW.

His performance against Pavlik was awesome. I can even remember him impersonating SRL with a bolo punch.

I don't know if Tarver was definitely drained, but I always found it interesting that Mackie Shilstone expected him to be. Also, he lost a lot of weight, and we know that Roy, Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson also suffered after they came down. But if he wasn't drained, then that was by far Bernard's best win.

Oscar was never a MW, and from memory, Felix Sturm was robbed.


For me, Tito has to be his best win.

 

He wasn't a 170 pound fighter. But neither was Hopkins. They were two p4p rated fighters of a similar size. Hopkins wasn't to big, he was too good. Ironically both beat Tito because they were too big.

Tarver lost more muscle than Jones. He was like 220 for the Rocky film.

Hoya v Sturm was very close. Sturm probably deserved the nod on balance, but when Oscar has that belt the fight has to happen. In fact he probably gave a prime Hopkins his best fight. Hopkins had to rely on his physicality that night.

My answer to the last paragraph is the same as what I gave in the last post.

 

Regarding Winky, yeah, Bernard was too good. But Bernard is taller, he has a bigger reach, and he fought above MW numerous times and he's been fighting at LHW for the last 10 years. Bernard had to make incredible sacrifices to fight at MW for as long as he did. Naturally, he's bigger than Winky ever was. In my opinion, there's no way I can class beating a JMW at 170 as one of his greatest wins. I don't think Winky belongs in Bernard's top 3 wins.

Regarding Tarver, I don't know how much muscle he lost because I don't know what his percentage of body fat was. He probably did lose more than Roy though.

Regarding Oscar, I'd have to go back and watch the Sturm fight again. I've never seen it since I watched it live.

Regarding your last paragraph, it intrigues me. I don't see what difference it makes if you think Tito couldn't beat Tarver. That doesn't mean that Bernard's win over Tarver etc was better. Or have I misunderstood you?

 

What about his win against Felix Trinidad?

 

I think it must be his best win. Or Tarver, if he wasn't drained.

 

As I say, had Hopkins stayed at MW and made the fight it would have been a great victory. Allowing both 10 extra pound doesn't detract imo. A MW beating a LMW after that LMW arguably performed better against Taylor is great to me.

I remember reading it once. Not sure how accurate it is.

Sturm deserved it but there are 7 feasible Oscar rounds. I don't like the term robbery.

I mean Tito is his biggest name. But not necessarily the best fighter he beat. The Tito win is terrific but I'm not sure if it's any more so than schooling Tarver, outboxing Wright, schooling Pavlik, or doing pressup's between rounds for the lineal championship against Pascal. It's his biggest p4p victory, but it just isn't the victory that impresses me most is all I'm saying.

 

That Pavlik fight was a masterclass. I think as the rounds ticked away my jaw was open and my brain was saying "really...REALLY" to just how well Hopkins was taming the guy.

Same thing against Pascal. In fact I swear he mentally broke Pascal BEFORE the fight even started.

I think Trinidad win is his best just due to how big it was and Hopkins being an underdog. But the Pavlik and Hopkins fights - once you take the atmosphere from the Trinidad fight, are just as impressive I agree.

 

I respect your opinion regarding Winky, but we never saw Winky fight anyone else at 170. It would have been great it they could have met at 160 instead. Maybe it would have played out the same, but we don't know. But Bernard obviously had a big advantage fighting him at that weight. He could carry that weight and he was comfortable. Winky never looked comfortable at that weight and he dropped straight back to 160 afterwards.

I also respect your opinion on Tito.

It's hard to say for definite what his best win is.