Bernstein talks about Manny-Floyd, thinks Pep is overrated!

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  1. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great, great interview. It's in two parts.

    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-...on-reno-johnson-jeffries-and-the-biz-part-one

    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo...mories-manny-vs-floyd-and-the-future-part-two

    Here's some excerpts:

    Ryan Maquinana: Mayweather is the toughest match-up in the sport. Defensively, he’s almost perfect but he likes to fight in spurts. Do you think Pacquiao can apply sustained, accurate pressure for 12 rounds, enough anyway to restrict Floyd from establishing his offense? Personally, I think that if Manny can edge out the first four rounds on the cards, it will affect the whole complexion of the fight in his favor. If not, then Floyd will clearly win the decision. How would you see that fight playing out?

    Al Bernstein:
    I think the key to that fight is going to be in the first five rounds. Pacquiao is a different fighter now. He’ll attack you but he’ll do it with movement from side to side and with more combinations. I’ve never seen a fighter re-invent himself the way Manny Pacquiao did and he’s got huge hand speed.

    But somewhere in those first five rounds, Mayweather is going to land a right hand of significance. How Manny Pacquiao deals with that is going to give us a clue to how the fight’s going to go. If he’s hurt or knocked down or knocked out, obviously, then we have our answer. But if he isn’t and, up through those middle rounds and beyond, sustains his pace and makes Floyd Mayweather fight three minutes of every round, then I think you’d have to start looking at Pacquiao as the potential winner of that fight. Mayweather is a little bit bigger than Manny, in general, so I think Floyd will land something early. Even if Manny doesn’t get hurt and wins only one of the first five rounds, you’d have to assume he’d maybe be able to come out in those mid-to-later rounds.

    RM: In 2002, THE RING released a list that proclaimed the 80 greatest fighters of the last 80 years. To name a few of the little guys, Henry Armstrong was at number two; Duran was at five; Willie Pep was one spot behind him and Pernell Whitaker rounded out the top ten. Based on each fighter’s body of work, where do Pacquiao and Mayweather currently stand in comparison with them?

    AB:
    Interesting. The Pernell Whitaker [pick] doesn’t shock me. Now this will probably be a terrible heresy to say. Willie Pep was a great guy; I met him and I think he’s a terrific fighter but I think he’s overvalued by a lot of people. He lost all the time to Sandy Saddler, who controlled their series. I’m not sure why people continue to believe that Pep was the greater fighter. No question he was great but having him number six all-time, I just don’t get that.

    Now Manny and Floyd. I’m not saying that Floyd has fought a total group of cupcakes. He hasn’t. And in some cases, other things have conspired for Mayweather to have the schedule that he’s had. He’s fought some very good fighters. But Manny Pacquiao has one thing going for him that Floyd doesn’t. He fought three other Hall of Famers in an era when those four—he, [Erik] Morales, [Marco Antonio] Barrera and [Juan Manuel] Marquez—all could lay claim to the fact that it was probably the best featherweight or super featherweight division that boxing has ever seen. Unfortunately, Marquez didn’t get in on enough fights in that period but at least he got in to contribute mightily. To me, that era when they were all fighting each other rivals the Hagler-Hearns-[Wilfred] Benitez-Duran era. That’s how good they were. And I think that gives Manny a leg up on being higher on the list than Mayweather. They’d both be in the top 40 for sure. What numbers they’d be, I don’t know, but they’d both be up there.
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Doesn't Bernstein realize Pep lost to Saddler not just when he was past his prime but post-plane crash. One in which they said he wouldn't walk, let alone fight... then he preceded to do both. Pep in his prime was magnificent, but unfortunately there's little film of this. But we have some films when he's past it, and the testimony is that he was dazzling in his prime. And he already looks good from the film we have. Bernstein made an oversimplification there.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I think it's a testament that he beat Saddler once in such a great performance past his prime. I also think he does well in the series, respectively, although the record doesn't show this. There fights were so rough, but Pep was winning one them but had to retire in his corner due to a shoulder injury. Pep was marvelous, and Saddler was an awesome specifimen for a fighter as well. Very tall, rangy, heavy-handed and rough. Maybe it's Saddler who gets underrated, he was a solid fighter.
     
  4. artofwar

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    excellent interview. i have been saying the exact thing about how this fight would go. floyd will lose early rounds because he is to cautious and will trying to figure out pac by then he will be up against it.
     
  5. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    He was talking about Pac only winning one in the first five, not Mayweather.
     
  6. gyll

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    Not a bad speculation seeing as how Pac applies good pressure. However...reaching the mid-late rounds could mean Floyd has adjusted and have been able to time Pac's speed. Floyd attacks in spurts but he's an accurate puncher. Even a hard-chinned guy like Pac is going to feel the accumulation of cleanly landed shots over an abundance of rounds. I can see Floyd bringing in Judah to spar with in order to prepare himself for Pac's speed/quickness. Obviously Judah isn't on Pac's level in terms of overall skills but a fresh Judah can arguably match Pac's speed, maybe power as well.

    Pac vs. Floyd, to me, is similar to a super sniper vs. a trained gunman with a machine gun dueling it out in an open forest. Can't really count one or the other out as both have their advantages.
     
  7. john garfield

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    could not be more savvy or expressed better, p
     
  8. o_money

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    With respect to Bernstein rating Manny over Mayweather. You can't argue with his reasoning. Personally, I take a different view of how to rate a fighter. I think I value talent and ability more then Al when ranking a fighter. I'd probably rate Floyd higher then Manny simply based on a comparison of abilities. But to be frank Manny's body of work is difficult to argue against.
     
  9. Pimp C

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    Pep is a consensus top 5 ATG and a true legend.:deal Berstein is full of **** here.
     
  10. PetethePrince

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    Thanks a lot JG. Always means something coming from a man who was there to watch a lot of these brilliant old time fighters in action.
     
  11. YENOOR

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    I concur.
     
  12. LastQuark

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    Whatever Pac is taking, Bernstein is also taking.
     
  13. RSBonos

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  14. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I tend to think Bernstein and Sugar are concerned that they will be labled to nostalgic if they side to much with fighters of yesteryear.

    I think they worry about their relevance now as support for boxing isnt what it was when they were starting out in the game, Im not to surprised they come out with statements like these...keeping onside with fighters in this era is a smarter career move.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

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    This is a particularly good comment.