Bert Lytell. "The Beast of Stillman's Gym"

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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Surf-Bat

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    Can any boxing writer in recent memory weave a visual tapestry as adroitly as Springs Toledo?

    Sweat, blood, smoke, suffering, anger, rage, redemption, pain, pathos, art, music, literature, nature, noir....he draws imagery from every imagineable well. In lesser hands using these risky resources could plummet a piece into campy pretentiousness. But like a master chemist Springs knows exactly the right serving of each to achieve maximum effect without going overboard. Nothing masturbatory here; every image serves a function and a purpose.

    Lines like this are so simple yet brilliant that it's impossible to imagine it not becoming part of boxing phraseology:

    Bert Lytell broke into the top ten of the middleweight division like a brick through a window.

    For me, that's right up there with "Fighter A couldn't hit fighter B in the ass with a handful of rice". It's one for the ages.

    "I wish the stage were as narrow as a tight rope so that no incompetent would dare walk on it." -- Goethe

    I've shared this quote with you before. It could and should apply to boxing writing as well as theater. Writers like yourself further narrow that tightrope Mr. Goethe speaks of and we're all the better for it. Hopefully others will strive for this type of excellence.

    Bravo Stonehands. My 10-plus years journey to unlocking the mysteries of Bert Lytell's life and career are finally over, thanks to you and your diligent research.
     
  3. john garfield

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    bravo!!!!!!! Sb
     
  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for the support. I think I'm going to instruct my kin to engrave Surf-Bat's post on my gravestone.

    Now that this series has concluded and much about Lytell's career has come to the light, I'd be curious to know:

    Do you believe that Bert Lytell belongs in the International Boxing Hall of Fame...?
     
  5. McGrain

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    Personally, i've always felt that he did, but your work has given that hunch a legitimised feeling.
     
  6. Surf-Bat

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    No, he deserves BETTER. The IBHOF inducts too many unworthies for me to take it seriously.

    But all personal issues aside, yes he does deserve the honor.
     
  7. Surf-Bat

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    Now who here besides me would like to see Stonehands, when he's had a break, tackle the mysterious Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard? ;)
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    excellent SHs, really enjoyed that
     
  9. Stonehands89

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    Sheppard has some chilling rumors surrounding him. Chilling -like horror movie chilling.
     
  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stoney,all the photos I have seen of Bert Lytell show him as an orthodox stance,
    [left hand in front], yet he is listed as a southpaw on his resume. W as his posing for photos as an orthodox fighter, a ploy not to scare away opponents, who by and large
    want no part of southpaws ?
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bert was a converted southpaw. Chances are pretty good that he was a switch-hitter (JJ Johnston's believes that) though I didn't bring it up because I couldn't confirm it -no fight report said as much. Some of them would say how Bert's "left hook" was landing or his "right cross" but that could have just as well been the reporter's eye making assumptions. Southpaws were rarer then -a lot rarer- as you probably know because most lefties were converted when they started out. Nobody liked southpaws. I know I don't -When I teach guys, I convert them so I don't confuse myself and them.
     
  12. Stonehands89

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    Come to think of it, you could be right too. Aaronson may have reversed the picture in the posters or posed him as a conventional fighter because of the difficulty getting him fights.
     
  13. SLAKKA

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    Hey Stony,

    Rumor has it, sorry adele, both boys boys in this tangle were gay.
    If true neither fought like a girl that's for dang sure!!

    Preview Woods Baffles Lytell to Win Garden Feature

    Keane, Clif. Daily Boston Globe (1928-1960) [Boston, Mass] 09 June 1945: 2. ... Walter "Popeye" Woods, New York's antiquated clown, proved before 4859 at the
    Popeye Woods Meets Bert Lytell Tonight in Garden Feature

    Keane, Clif. Daily Boston Globe (1928-1960) [Boston, Mass] 08 June 1945: 16.
     
  14. burt bienstock

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    S, i once saw Walter "popeye" Woods walking down Stillman's gym steps with me. He was balding and never looked effeminate...Looked like a tough guy...
     
  15. SLAKKA

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    burt remember that pat you got in you can??
    it was Popeye