Bert Lytell. "The Beast of Stillman's Gym"

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Stonehands89, Jan 4, 2012.


Page 8 of 8
  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    18,285
    400
    Jan 22, 2010
    Is that why I still lisp ?:patsch
     
    burt bienstock, Feb 19, 2012
    burt bienstock, Feb 19, 2012
    #106
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,775
    312
    Dec 12, 2005
    I chased that down, at least as it applies to Lytell. It's double hearsay. Double hearsay might be true, but it shouldn't be presented as such. It says that a black gangster, probably out of NYC, told someone (who I'll keep unnamed since I don't know if he wants to be named) that he was in the clink with Lytell and that's where the story started. That stuff that happens in prison isn't indicative of sexual orientation as it is of sexual availability.

    Anyhow, I tried to at least find out if he was in prison when he went back there from Oakland in the 50s, but without at least a date of conviction, there's no way of knowing. I'll check Walpole prison in MA -maybe they aren't as strict and can find out with a SS# or birthdate.

    The fact is, Bert was married, had a kid, and even at 62 he had a girlfriend half his age. That tears it for me. And I doubt all that was an Elton John charade.
     
    Stonehands89, Feb 19, 2012
    Stonehands89, Feb 19, 2012
    #107
  3. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,829
    25
    Jun 4, 2009
    Gal half his age? Christ as if i didn't have enough to admire him about!
     
    SLAKKA, Feb 19, 2012
    SLAKKA, Feb 19, 2012
    #108
  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,775
    312
    Dec 12, 2005
    Yep, her name was Patricia and she was about as short as Tiny Patterson, his manager in the 40s. "Pat" is the one, you'll remember, who died suddenly in the late 80s.
     
    Stonehands89, Feb 19, 2012
    Stonehands89, Feb 19, 2012
    #109
  5. danthepoetman

    danthepoetman New Member Full Member

    5
    1
    Feb 4, 2014
    Just finished the whole article. It's absolutely fabulous! I wish there were more such pieces of writings on more or less forgotten fighters, great ones who were denied a decent chance at a title, former good contenders, etc. It enlightens the whole picture.
    Many thanks to the author, Springs Toledo!
     
    danthepoetman, Feb 4, 2014
    danthepoetman, Feb 4, 2014
    #110
  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,736
    97
    Jul 20, 2010

    They're out there. You can find them. I love them too. :smoke
     
    Surf-Bat, Feb 4, 2014
    Surf-Bat, Feb 4, 2014
    #111
  7. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,979
    627
    Sep 22, 2013
    During the early 1940s, California probably had more top middleweights than the entire world does at the present time.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
    Chuck1052, Feb 4, 2014
    Chuck1052, Feb 4, 2014
    #112
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,775
    312
    Dec 12, 2005
    Thank you!

    There's another Murderers' Row series in the works right now. Aaron "Little Tiger" Wade. Untitled and almost half-done, it should be ready by March. I will start another thread when the time comes.
     
    Stonehands89, Feb 5, 2014
    Stonehands89, Feb 5, 2014
    #113
  9. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

    987
    1,039
    Oct 5, 2012
    Hello, I'm always interested in learning about some of the less famous fighters from the past. You're remark about Sheppard rumors being "horror movie chilling" interests me. I cannot find much about him online. What was it you heard? Send a PM if not able to reply here. Thanks, look forward to talking with you...
     
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    #114
  10. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

    987
    1,039
    Oct 5, 2012
    Hi Burt, saw your post and wanted to respond. I went with my dad once to see James Toney training. This was 1993 and we were talking with his trainer and a few other old-timers. We were all standing around talking boxing and, I'm not sure how the topic came up, but someone mentioned boxers that were gay! So they began to mention a few names and then someone said "Popeye Lou Woods". The other guys agreed and said "oh yea, Popeye Lou Woods, he was gay too". Now... there was a middleweight called "Popeye" Walter Woods, and another "Sgt." Lou Woods. Obviously they confused the wrong nickname with the wrong fighter. I didn't realize it at that moment, and always wondered exactly which fighter they were referring to? Judging by what little I have found, I take it it must have been Walter Woods? Is this right? Also, I understand he was in prison? Can't find much online and always interested hearing about the more obscure fighters from the past. If you, (or anyone else), isn't comfortable replying publicly, please send me a private message. Thanks!
     
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    #115
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,123
    Jun 2, 2006
    Toledo's trilogy cannot be recommended highly enough!
     
    mcvey, Oct 12, 2018
    mcvey, Oct 12, 2018
    #116
    greynotsoold and Hannibal Barca like this.
  12. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

    987
    1,039
    Oct 5, 2012
    Sorry, is that the title of a book? A post on here? Can't find it... thanks
     
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    #117
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,123
    Jun 2, 2006
    Three books .
    In the Cheap Seats
    Murderers Row
    The Gods Of War
    As excellent examples of boxing writing as you will find! Got mine off of Amazon.
     
    mcvey, Oct 12, 2018
    mcvey, Oct 12, 2018
    #118
    robert ungurean and Hannibal Barca like this.
  14. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

    987
    1,039
    Oct 5, 2012
    Thank you!
     
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    jabber74, Oct 12, 2018
    #119
  15. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,298
    4,629
    May 13, 2014
    I am, bit only 30000 words into my first book.
     
    escudo, Oct 12, 2018
    escudo, Oct 12, 2018
    #120
Page 8 of 8