Bert Sugar on Mayweather vs Marquez

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MichiganWarrior, Apr 2, 2010.


  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you think about it, no mexican in the history of the sport has ever won titles in more than 3 divisions. Yet, Marquez was expect to jump into his 5th weight division from where he started and beat not just a titlist in that division, but p4p arguably #1 in the world. It was silly idea.

    Perhaps it was wishful thinking that JMM could mount up a challenge. Considering how he struggled with Casa & Juan Diaz, I rate those guys B level fighters, I doubt JMM could even beat an A level LW yet alone WW.
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Since when is elusiveness Wlad's weakness? It clearly isn't.

    Anyway, since you want to bring up that, terribly made, point, Muhammad Ali would fight at cruiserweight if he was around now. He could easily make the weight, and as a fast, elusive fighter, Klitschko's apparent weakness, do you not think Ali would win? Or is the size difference too much?

    Come off it...Ali schools both Klitschko's, despite the weight, and I'm a huge Wladimir fan.

    Size matters in boxing, yes, but it's not the only thing.



    Anyway, your points are awful, so I'm not replying properly, however:

    1. Mayweather is faster than Dirrell and Berto.
    2. De La Hoya is better than Pavlik, though would lose to him, and is a much harder fight for Mayweather.
    3. How fat do you think Mayweather would be? He could fight at the same weight he fought De La Hoya, against Pavlik. Why do you assume he would be fat and slow?
     
  3. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lame. Bert Sugar was obviously giivng Floyd a little props for fighting the #2 but when you look back on it it was prety much a farce of a fight. JMM had only fought at lightweight once, was asked to jump up two weight divisions, and Floyd purposely weighed over the agreed limit.

    Comparing Shane Mosleys/Durans jumps to welter to Marquez just shows how ******ed this video really is.
     
  4. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    What a dumb gay video.

    Bert sugar is a pile of ****. Anyone who picked marquez to win was a ****ing ******.
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali weighed around 220 the majority of his career. As high as 230 in fights he didnt particularly train for. Which would make him bigger then most American heavyweights fighting today, bigger then David Haye. Ali was almost twice the size of Eddie Chambers.

    Ali also had an 80inch reach, again longer then David Haye, and unlike dAvid Haye a caste iron jaw which would have gave him a great shot at beating the Klitsckos.

    Once again your boxing knowledge fails you. Oh and any boxer who cant get inside Klitsckos jab would tear him up. A prime Tyson or Holyfield, boxers with movement and speed would have destroyed the Klitsckos. Or atleast Wlad who would wilt with the first body shot Tyson landed

    You'd have a case if it was 130lb Mayweather. But at 140 Andre BErto has faster then hands then Mayweather, Mayweather could maybe throw 1 punches as fast as Berto, but no way could he throw combinations with the same speed. Same with Dirrell, who is not only faster handed, but faster footspeed aswell, Floyd is great because of his timing, awareness, and technique, not his speed. Judah vs Floyd proved that point. Judah was by far faster then floyd and beat Floyd to the punch a few times, but Mayweather was more technically sound and smarter.

    Nonsense. De La Hoya was better P4P, but head to head? We saw DLH lose to friggin Felix Sturm at Middleweight. Pavlik would stop him, probably within the first 8 rounds. Mayweather couldnt completely outclass Oscar, Oscar's size, jab and ability to walk through his punches kept mayweather from completely dominating the fight, and it'd be the same with Pavlik, only this time Mayweather loses big.
    How would Floyd make 160 then cut to 150 to fight Pavlik? :nut Thats how much he weighed against Oscar, on fight night no less.

    Even at 154, Mayweather didnt have the same foot speed and mobility he has at 147, at 160, he'd be James Toney, with less pop and strength.
     
  6. Round1gymDC

    Round1gymDC Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good video, You might need to keep reposting this untill you get a lot of views cause everybody forgets that mayweather was off 14 months
     
  7. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Casa was no B Fighter
     
  8. StreetsofRAGE

    StreetsofRAGE Ballin Full Member

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    Total flip flop. Mayweather deserves respect for schooling Marquez in that manner no matter how you look at the weight issue. It was total domination start to finish.
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    His analysis wasn't off if you could excuse the fact that he was assuming wholeheartedly that Marquez's skill set and style would be effective at that weight. Clearly, he did not wear it well, and the catch-weight wasn't respected. I won't make hypothetical statements on the outcome of the fight at a different weight because nobody knows and I won't pretend I do, but it was clear that it was a mismatch at welterweight and the Marquez that fought against Pacquiao was clearly different from the bloated Marquez who could not move and land effectively against mayweather.

    Mayweather's a great fighter but you can't deny these considerations unless your a blind worshipper. I don't give a crap about Sugar but this is the reality of the way it played out.