Bert Sugar: "Pacquiao's good, but Marquez is better"

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  1. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a recent ESPN sports Chat long time boxing historian Bert Sugar claimed Manny Pacquiao as the second best fighter of the post Morales generation, after Juan Manuel Marquez.

    Bert Sugar: While it is never been my habit to include a fighter who is still fighting, because I can not judge his entire career and/or where his prime was (his prime is where I judge) I think Manny Pacquiao is making one helluva case to be included.
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    But I will wait until I see where his next fights take him. I will wait on Mayweather. And, depending on July 18, Marquez, as i've always said Pacquiao's good, but Marquez is better.


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  2. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    I think they are on par with each other as i had JMM winning both fights, but they where very close and you could argue the result either way.
     
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  3. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    pacman beat him....
     
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  4. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sugar said "depending on July 18" to qualify his declaration that Marquez is better than Pacquiao. He's therefore speculating, but he's more of a clown than anything.
     
    Soriano, Jun 13, 2009
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  5. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    Owned!
     
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  6. splasher25

    splasher25 Active Member Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    A highly opinionated clown with hat & a cigar...he's very wrong here, Pac is the better man and would get the Marquez ****** off his back decisively if they met a 3rd time IMHP.
     
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  8. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yer. I saw that in his other thread and was just like 'WTF' when I read his comment in this thread.

    It's a classic case of pac-tardism. A severe brain condition resulting from too much exposure to Pac's ball sack. It causes major rotting of the brain and the sufferer will make all kinds of ridiculous, contradicting, unknowledgeable posts on boxing boards across the world.
     
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  9. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously.
     
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  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There both good but is Manny is on the verge of greatness he gets better and better with each fight and that is a sign of true greatness..JMM is a litle older and time is more favorable to Pac...
     
    Ted Stickles, Jun 13, 2009
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  11. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i think there about even, but say for instance marquez loses a decision to floyd, something like 115-113 or 116-112....and pac goes on to get massacred by floyd.....then yes bert is correct...you would have to say 1. floyd....2. marquez....and 3. pacquiao.....

    pacquiao uses superb speed and power.....marquez IS the smarter fighter, and more technically rounded.

    sure pac has made improvements, but will never be as polished as marquez in the fundamentals.
     
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  12. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    speaking of improvements that will KO Marquez soon....just wait and pacman can beat floyd...
     
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  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Pac has raised his game another notch since he last fought Marquez..the momentum is on his side if he ever fights Marquez again..another decision, probably to continue the tradition of scoring a knockdown over JMM as well.
     
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  14. Midnight Ramble

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    Sugar has pugistica dementia and he never even fought!!
     
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  15. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think Pacman will finally KO JMM in the third fight...
     
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