bert sugar

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  1. ryan8331

    ryan8331 Member Full Member

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    does anyone have boxings greatest fighters by bert sugar?
    what do you think to his list?
    do you like his writing style?
    i really enjoyed reading it,i didnt agree with some of the placements like tyson at 100 and lamotta at 27.not saying i could do better ofcourse.
    i do find him very irritating to look at and listen to though,
    also,whats the deal with the permanently unlit cigar?smoke it already!!
     
  2. DFW

    DFW Active Member Full Member

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    Bert Sugar is an expert on the subject of boxing. I have heard him countless times on many TV programs; fights, documentaries etc. I have no use for the man. Back in the 1970's Bert Sugar took over the boxing magazine, Boxing Illustrated. As a youngster I became an avid boxing fan and each Xmas my mother would subscribe to this magazine as a gift for me. I couldn't wait to see this each month in our mailbox. All of a sudden the magazine stopped coming. I remember at the time Mom had given me a two year subscription and there were still 21 monthly issues due for me to receive. They went out of business and Bert Sugar and all of the other crooks in with him flew the coop with my mother's hard earned money and deprived me of my magazine. When I hear his name mentioned I still get mad. But as a Christian I do forgive even a thief like him. NUFF SAID!!!!!!
     
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  3. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict booted

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    Bert Suger is not an expert on boxing. He is self promoter who has chosen boxing as his nitch. All he does is regurgitate old ring magazine stories, many of which arent even true. Hes never actually done the leg work or research to try to get the stories right.
     
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  4. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    love the guy. great knowledge, great forecaster of a fight. funny guy.

    he is always willing to do interviews for various small boxing websites
     
  5. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    love the guy. great knowledge, great forecaster of a fight. funny guy.

    he is always willing to do interviews for various small boxing websites
     
  6. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sugar's got his prejudices and blind spots like anyone else, and his favorites who you can't get him to say a word against, (for example he has a hardon the size of Panama for Roberto Duran) but overall he doesn't seem half bad and he certainly knows how to tell a good tale. I've read some of his greatest boxers book while browsing in the book store, and some parts of it had me laughing out loud from the way he'd turn certain phrases or tell certain stories.
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    His ATG heavyweight list has Charles over Lewis. Truely utterly astounding opinion. Crazyness.
     
  8. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like him: seems to have a good grasp of the game and has an entertaining style.
     
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  9. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is crazy. :shock:

    I don't know what Sugar's pedigree in the sport is, like I said earlier his greatest skill is how he tells a story. It's one thing to know something, it's quite another to be able to tell it in a way that engages the audience and grips the imagination.
     
  10. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Panama isnĀ“t that big :tong
     
  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ............I have the original version of that book published in 1984, when the likes of Tyson, Holyfield and Whitaker hadn't yet had a pro fight. It's probably a bit different than the one you have.

    Choices I strongly disagree with in the 1984 version:


    Max Baer at #73 (ahead of Hagler, Manuel Ortiz, Fighting Harada, etc). Baer doesn't belong anywhere in the zip code of a top 100 list.


    Jack Dempsey at #4 - Patently ridiculous.

    Alexis Aguello at #72 - Should be given more credit.



    ..........Lamotta is at #27, eh? That's weird, 'cause in the 1984 version he lists him at #43.

    Nice to know he can at least shuffle things about a bit.

    Like most, Sugar is guilty of horribly overrating heavyweights.
     
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  12. tommy the hat

    tommy the hat Active Member Full Member

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    Yes I do have the book. Bert really knows his boxing history. There is probably not a fighter he doesnt know about. That being said I dont agree with all of his choices for the book or how high or low he has some the fighters he chose ranked.
     
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  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Top line - :lol:

    2nd line - :-(


    I tried my best to laugh at Arguello`s ranking but all I felt was sadness for the writer.
     
  14. ryan8331

    ryan8331 Member Full Member

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    yeah,he does seem to have alot of heavies in here,especially old timers.it has jack o'brien at 67.
    this is the 2006 edition.id like to see how it compares
    dempsey is at 9,arguello at 56 and max baer's not in it.i massivly disagree with putting foreman at 31,apparantly he could only find 30 fighters better than big george in the history of the sport.
     
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  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ............Out of curiosity, where does he rank Chavez? He's not in my version, obviously. It was written before he won his first title.

    Here's the top ten as of 1984:

    Robinson
    Armstrong
    Greb
    Dempsey
    Benny Leonard
    Joe Louis
    Mickey Walker
    Langford
    Canzoneri
    Ali


    The top three are pretty much everyone's consensus, and after that he goes off the beam a bit.
     
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