bert sugar

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Bert Sugar has never told a story I have not heard before and heard told better. He is a caricature and nothing more. I would not pay one penny for his pithy and tired insights.
     
  2. ryan8331

    ryan8331 Member Full Member

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    chavez is 17th.
    a few more new ones
    holyfield at 42
    holmes at 45
    whitaker at 48
    hearns at 50
    ricardo lopez at 53
    roy jones at 88
    hopkins at 91
    tyson at 100
    sanchez is at 85
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Bert Sugar is an expert at keeping his bald head covered up!
     
  4. DFW

    DFW Active Member Full Member

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    So that's why he always wears a hat? That is a good thing. At least the glare won't damage our eyes.
     
  5. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    I like his books and I listen to his stories.
     
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  6. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats a great top 5 IMO. i don't agree with dempsey being so high. i think he overates the old timers a bit but apart from JD there is noting there that i would disagree too much with him
     
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  7. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    he was asked about cottos chin before the judah fight and his repsonse was "well it's more about judahs chin. as he is of a majority that have knocked down twice with one punch"

    yeah but we asked your opinions about cotto not about judahs chin....and in that why are you telling us this it doesnt make a difference. zoo was a compltely different fighter to cotto also he used ranged shots to get to his........ oh forget it, tell your stories about how everything in brown and grey is far more impressive.

    he made the carpentier-dempsey fight a clash of the titans...even tho a nice story...it was a bit of a let down. it was clear carpentier was too small and when he did throw a combination (that did stun dempsey a bit) it was quickly muffled over and usual service recommensed.




    i personally belive that we have way way way better story tellers,knowledicians and librairians on esb than those guys at the press conferences. why the hell dont we start a esb tv show. hell we could prolly get some unlit cigars and a panama hats and a failed basball writer career with it to.

    anyone with me
     
  8. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He completely overrates some, and underrates others. Having guys like Frazier, Holyfield, and Foreman in the top 40, but having Holmes and Hagler between 45-50 is bad. Also Tyson at 100 is underrating him. He's a great story teller (sounds better in person) and I find him entertaining.
     
  9. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    The above statement is dead on and sums up Sugar to a "T"
     
  10. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Imo Sugar is a great story teller and clearly has a genuine passion for the sport, but in terms of his lists and analysing greatness and legacy he's not too good, and biased he is also,
     
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  11. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    The Ring had one of it's best periods when Sugar was the editor during the early 80's. I have all of the 83 and 84 issues, also some from 82.
     
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  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    His list is ****in' dreadful.


    (He's a non-smoker).
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    The book is a good one. I think Sugar had some aid writing the book. As for his choices, Sugar has his favorites for sure. Tyson at 100 was a throw in for marketing reasons by Sugar.

    I agree, Sugar tells a good story. Sometimes he's a little out there, but I hope he sticks around for many years.
     
  14. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    Joe Louis should not be in the top five, definitely not ahead of Benny Leonard.
     
  15. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...............A better book of Sugar's is "The Great Fights" written in 1981. Covers the ins and outs of such fights as Johnson-Jeffries, Armstrong-Ross, Louis-Schmeling II, Robinson-Lamotta VI, Basilio-Robinson I, Moore-Durelle I, Ali-Frazier III, Saad-LOpez II, and Leonard-Hearns I. His writing style tends to be a bit heavy on the usual jokes told a million times and he leans a bit heavily on historic rather than truly "great fights" but it's worth looking at.
     
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