Bert Sugar's 100 Greatest Fighters(What Do You Think?)

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Give me your thougts on this list and what stands out to you as for fighters being to high or low, or fighters that never got included

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Wille Pep
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Harry Greb
    6. Benny Leonard
    7. Muhammad Ali
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Jack Johnson
    11. Mickey Walker
    12. Tony Canzoneri
    13. Gene Tunney
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Joe Gans
    16. Sam Langford
    17. Julio Cesar Chavez
    18. Jimmy Wilde
    19. Stanley Ketchel
    20 Barney Ross
    21, Jimmy McLarnin
    22. Archie Moore
    23. Marcel Cerdan
    24. Ezzard Charles
    25. Sugar Ray Leonard
    26. Joe Walcott (The original)
    27. Jake LaMotta
    28. Eder Jofre
    29. Emile Griffith
    30. Terry McGovern
    31. George Foreman
    32. Johnny Dundee
    33. Jose Napoles
    34. Pascual Perez
    35. Billy Conn
    36. Ruben Olivares
    37. Joe Frazier
    38. Tommy Loughran
    39. Sandy Saddler
    40. Kid Chocolate
    41. Abe Attell
    42. Evander Holyfield
    43. George Dixon
    44. Maxie Rosenbloom
    45. Larry Holmes
    46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
    47. Marvin Hagler
    48. Pernell Whitaker
    49. Carlos Zarate
    50. Thomas Hearns
    51. Battling Nelson
    52. Beau Jack
    53. Ricardo ;Lopez
    54. John L. Sullivan
    55. Carlos Monzon
    56. Alexis Arguello
    57. Carmen Basillio
    58. Pete Herman
    59. Charley Burley
    60. Ike Williams
    61. Kid Gavilan
    62. Jack Britton
    63. Dick Tiger
    64. Pancho Villa
    65. Panama Al Brown
    66. Bob Fitszimmons
    67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    68. Tiger Flowers
    69. James J.Corbett
    70. Tony Zale
    71. Tommy Ryan
    72. Georges Carpentier
    73, Sonny Liston
    74. "Kid" McCoy
    75. Bob Foster
    76. Freddie Welsh
    77. Joe Jeanette
    78. Jim Driscoll
    79. Jersey Joe Walcott
    80. Peter Jackson
    81. Ad Wolgast
    82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
    83. Manuel Ortiz
    84. James J. Jeffries
    85. Salvador Sanchez
    86. Jimmy Barry
    87. Carlos Ortiz
    88. Roy Jones Jr.
    89. Wilfredo Gomez
    90. Aaron Pryor
    91. Bernard Hopkins
    92. Mike Gibbons
    93. Jack Delaney
    94. Johnny Kilbane
    95. Willie Ritchie
    96. Wilfredo Benitez
    97. Packey McFarland
    98. Rocky Graziano
    99. Lew Jenkins
    100. Mike Tyson
     
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  2. GazOC

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    Dempsey at number 9 is the one that leaps out at first (quick) look.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    **** list. It's pretty much agreed.
     
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  4. horst

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    Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson above Sam Langford and Ezzard Charles.

    Ghastly.

    You could go all through the list and pick out many horrendous decisions, but those are the worst for me. Unforgivable.
     
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  5. Francis75

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    Burt Sugar is and always has been biased in favour of old time fighters.
     
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  6. lefthook31

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    Sometimes I scratch my head wondering what Sugar is talking about. Its like hes watching another sport. The man knows nothing about boxing.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Yeah, you have to go all the way down to #25 to find the highest ranked fighter who was filmed entirely in colour.

    And it's ****ing Sugar Ray Leonard, who is looked into a top 20.
     
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  8. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Bert has Dempsey, McLarnin, Cerdan, Griffith, Napoles, Conn, Rosenbloom, Zarate, Beau Jack, Sonny Liston, Jersey Joe Walcott, Tony Zale, Rocky Granizino all to high.

    And I think he had Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Sam Langford, Ezzard Charles, Whitaker, Hagler, Monzon, Leonard, Ike Williams, Gavalin, Holmes, Sanchez, Holyfield, Tiger, Fitzsimmons, Roy Jones, Hopkins, Pryor all to low.

    How the heck can Marcel Cerdan be rated higher than the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard, Whitaker, Monzon, Foreman, Holyfield and Holmes.........:huh

    And why is Dempsey so high? That just stupid.

    Tony Zale is also to high, and he didnt even put Fighting Harada or Miguel Canto in his list.

    I just think that is a really crappy list.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    I disagree on McLarnin. He's fine where he is. Maybe he could do with being higher...look at the bodies he stacked up. He can be lower, but not much lower.
     
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  10. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jimmy was a great fighter, but he shound't be higher than the likes of Charles, Leonard, Moore, Whiatker, Monzon, Foreman, Hagler, and Holmes.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    There's absolutley no concievable reason to have McLarnin ranked below Foreman. His win resume at WW alone is better than Foreman's entire HW resume. Holmes above McLarnin p4p? Impossible. I disagree strongly on Hagler, too, though at least there is a case there.

    Purely and entirely based upon who he beat in terms of quality, there are only a handful of men who should be above McLarnin. There are other factors to consider for sure, but in terms of who he beat, McLarnin is top 20.
     
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  12. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    McLarnin was a great fighter. But he was inconsistet and didnt have dominanat title reign. Lets not forget Ring Magazine didnt even have him in there top 50 fighters of the last 80 years.
     
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  13. Sweet Pea

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    Why these 3?
     
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  14. Sweet Pea

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    The Ring's list was only marginally better. How exactly do you come to the conclusion that McLarnin was inconsistent? On a ratio of number of fights in comparison to quality of opposition he has probably the greatest resume of all time.
     
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  15. Beeston Brawler

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    Awful list.
     
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