berto overrated?

No one rates him too highly, I think the fact he holds the WBC title irates people as he isn't as deserving of it as say Cotto or Mosley, but there's also a reason Berto hasn't fought those guys.

He isn't ready for them, and to be honest I don't think he's that great. Another young undefeated American prospect around these weight divisions impresses me though, and that's the 10-stone champ Timothy Bradley, who has already mixed with very good opposition and is walking the walk as well as talking the talk.

At the moment, Berto belongs with Bernard Dunne, Jorge Linares and Yuriorkis Gamboa as 'paper champions', although Gamboa and Linares have the potential to do something about that (though I actually think Gamboa actually try and do something about it, Linares is nearing his prime and fighting tomato cans and not at all regularly enough)

I do enjoy watching Berto fight though, although I think Cotto, Clottey, Shane, Hell, Berto would be an easier warm-up fight for Floyd than Marquez, put it that way.

That's where I rate Berto at this stage of his career, those he's got some very good attributes. He will fight back when engaged (although against a very hard puncher I think that could be his undoing) he throws shots very true to form and is fast and fairly accurate. He posseses decent power but I don't think he'd be able to spark the aforementioned 'Elite' WW's.

A good fight for him next would be someone like Issac Hlatswhato (Spelling?????) or Carlos Quintana, Hell, even Kermit Cintron, as long as he turns up to fight, unlike the Martiniez fight were he looked absolutely woeful.

 

Andre Berto to me is overrated due to the stature in where HBO puts him. He got hyped up prematurely. Berto cannot fight going backwards and thats why he has trouble with pressure fighters. Berto will be in a lot of trouble if he was to fight a guy that fights going forward and with decent power.

 

Berto is not overrated, he's rated right were he should be. I've never heard anyone on ESB or any other board proclaim him as a pound for pound or anything.

The general sentiment is that he's a young, fast, exciting fighter with glaring defensive liabilities. Of course he is an underdog to Mosely, Cotto etc. , that being the general concensous. How does that make him overrated?

Goldn

 

no
reason being is I dont think that he is really all that hyped

 

the main thing that seems so bizarre about berto's hype engine, to me, is that berto is criticized for all manner of things, some justified, some not, but rarely ever for the one glaring problem that will likely hold him back from the top of the welterweight division: the man is not a natural welterweight and the only thing keeping him there is some kind of jeff lacy bodybuilding complex or the doomed desire to chase big money into divisions where one doesn't belong.

berto looks to me like he could easily fight at lightweight if he did the road work neccessary to shave down. the fact that he began his pro career above the middleweight limit is absurd. accordingly, berto just isn't strong enough to hold his own against guys like josh clottey and antonio margarito (that is assuming margo is ever seen or heard from again), berto doesn't hit hard enough to keep a guy like miguel cotto off of him long enough to stand a chance. berto has very fast hands, i give him that, but his feet aren't running at the same speed and that seems like an issue of carrying unneccessary weight to me. by fight time, a welterweight berto usually re-inflates to near the middleweight limit...his frame just doesn't support that and, accordingly, he doeesn't have the upper body flexibility to throw a full range of punches or extend them properly...this would spell trouble against a guy like shane mosley, who despite coming up from lightweight himself, really operates a complete package and retained a good deal of his footspeed with the additional weight.

 

As much as I like Berto... I do think he's a bit overrated...He's a likeable guy but that doesnt mean he should get praises he's hasnt earned yet.

 

I agree with a lot of this.

He said not too long ago that he could make 140 lbs. If he could make that weight easily and still retain everything that makes him good, you'd have to give him a very big shout against the likes of Khan, Bradley (though I think Bradley would beat him via decision) Holt, Torres (Berto-Torres would be an awesome scrap) than you would against the likes of Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley.

But no. Instead of moving down and getting in amongst a talent-rich division he'd actually have a shot in, he gets one of the premiere guys from down below, who has seriously put about as much muscle as he can onto himself, to come up a further 7lbs (which is going to make him even slower) for a fight that no one is calling out for and that will not enhance Berto's legacy (though it could do wonder for Urango's)

I'd like to see Berto move down, a good warm-up fight to see whether he's adjusted to the weight would be Randall Bailey, who's in a mandatory IBF position and that would set up a meaningful fight with Urango for the IBF strap.



But instead, Urango moves up, 140 loses a major player who could be in some intriguing fights (Urango vs. Torres, Ortiz or Bradley would all be welcome) and Berto moves nowhere in a weight class he is already stood still in.

 

I think Berto overrates himself.

 

Good power and speed, suspect stamina and chin. Not sure of I'd call him overrated yet.

 

you make some good, solid points that i let slip. i remembered the moment you mentioned it, the pair of interviews, one on espn and the other in boxing digest in which he said he could make 140 and not lose anything. the fights you mentioned...against torres, holt, bradley...now those i would like to see. berto looks, at 147, to be a clear favorite based on natural athleticism or a dog without a chance depending on whether he's fighting second or first tier guys, respectively.

i think it is a waste of talent to see urango v. berto at welterweight. i think the quality of the fight will suffer hugely compared to a junior welter matchup between these guys.

spot on analysis.

 

Thanks, I agree entirely with your points about Berto and Urango, Berto won't get any credit for beating Urango (God knows how he'll manage to put on another 7 lbs, he's tiny yet huge for 140, even shorter than Hatton for chrissakes) and if he loses to Urango it will be 'wow, he couldn't even beat Urango, how was supposed to beat Cotto?????'

Again, if only us guys ran boxing, we could sure show 'em how it should be done :rofl

 

damn right...but, for now, it looks like more misinformation about loaded wraps, ridiculous mandatories and long periods of inactivity that squander athletic primes by the dozen. ha. awful stuff.

 

I dont agree with suspect power, I'm sure he hits hard. The other suspects I agree with, and unless he steps up his fight game in the skill department he will lose.

 

Overrated by who?
Most people rate him like he is,a top 10 WW,beltholder who can't handle with the elites,at least not yet.
Very physically gifted guy.

 

im sure berto is atleast 1-2 inches taller than hatton
and he has a bigger frame aswel

if he could get down to light-welter comfortabley he would be an absoloute monster, seriously guys would be scared of stepping in the ring with him