Berto tells mosley to step aside!

Difference is that shane can't deal with speed. He can pull the trigger but he can't pull it against someone faster than him, which he showed to Floyd when they fought (which was shane's first fight against someone faster than himself).

Big difference in a very fast fighter like berto and a one demensional brawler like margo. For one super dumb down reason, The one demensional brawler is far easier to predict than the blazing fast guy who hits you with unseen shots. That's how pac wins his fights and it seems they don't wanna face someone who wins their fights by the same means.

That is the difference in how shane fought floyd and Team Pac know this and that's why they are out here trying to spin this NAME mess to justify this BS fight, aided by guys who defend every move they make unconditionally.

 

Stylistically though Berto may cause Pac the most trouble out of those guys because of his hand speed. Even if those guys could possibly beat Berto.

We haven't seen Pac in the upper weights vs a guy with top hand speed. It would be a real good test in that department.

 

Berto has not been dominated becuase his oppposition has been next to ****! He was lucky to get by Collazo and has been hand fed gimme's since.

Since Floyd won't fight him, I'd be happy to see him fight JMM, at around 144-145. Although I think Pac beats him clearly there. I'd be interested in seeing him face Martinez at 155, but that won't happen.

Hey, I want him and Floyd. But the truth is, Pac has gotta fight someone if Floyd won't do it. All this is just gravy for PAc. His legacy is more or less cemented. Beating Shane might not add to it, but neither will beating Berto or JMM.

 

You're right it's my opinion that Berto wins and being slow as Marg and the gameplan Mosley used by tying Tony up after every punch was how he was able to beat such a slow flatfooted fighter, you don't have to be fast on the draw to beat Marg with that strategy.

 

I can agree with this. Just so sick of Berto's posturing for a big fight when he hasn't even had a fight vs. a top WW.

 

Who gives a ****, go watch kickboxing.

 

I hear ya man we all want Floyd vs Manny. JMM is my second choice because there is still unfinished biz between them two (on one side atleast) and people wanna see if JMM can give pac a competive fight since he hasn't had one in his last 5.

Yeah pac's legacy is cemented but I personally will always question his picking of slower fighters on the way up. Starting off his rise to 135 and up with David Diaz was a joke considering Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor were better fighters hands down. The fight with oscar was a proving something fight as was the one with cotto even though cotto was damaged goods. The last 2 were waste to me and mosley will make it the third waste in a row IMO. He's had a long career. Let's finally for once see him fight someone close to his handspeed. I think they are willing with floyd for all the marbles but I don't think they wanna take that risk with berto who will make roach really have to gameplan.

Pac has beaten some top guys at 147 but all of them had question marks coming off of their last or recent performaces. Oscar vs Steve Forbes, Cotto vs Margo n Clottey, Clottey vs Cotto, Margo vs Mosley. They all were being questioned about them not being the same guy (minus clottey). Clottey was just a stylisted garentee but he was still coming off a contrevercial loss.

 

If you recall, Casamayor was one the receiving end of one of the biggest robberies of the year vs. Santa Cruz. Had Pac fought him, I assume he'd get some critisism and people would be crying about him not facing Armndo sabto Cruz.

But since when is it a joke to face a tough guy in your first foray at a new weight class? EVERYONE does that. Very few guys move up in weight constantly and faces the World Champ off the bat. Floyd sure as hell didn't do that every weight jump. DLH didn't. SRL didn't.

It's going to be natural for Pac to face guys slower then he is, for a couple reasons. He's so ****in fast and most guys in the higher weights are just slow. Aside from Berto and Floyd, not many speed demons.

 

i dont like either one of these fights, just dont see the point

 

Casa was the recognized guy at 135 and David Diaz was the least respected belt holder at that weight. JMM went up and knocked out two more respectable guys at the weight. Diaz was just a slow plodding brawler.

Yes there aren't too many blazers out there and when they are close they seem to rarely fight eachother. Like in 07 when roach was asked about joan guzman and Roach dismissed it saying there is no reason to fight Guzman, as if Guzman didn't deserve it after convincingly defeating Barrios and Soto (who some wanted manny to fight after he beat Bobby).

 

:good I like this idea. I want to see pac face berto more than mosley or marquez. Bring on pac vs berto next.

 

Dude, Casa was recognized because he got the benfit of one of the years biggest robberies.

I would have loved to see Juan Diaz vs. Pac, but Pac left anf beat bigger and better fighters then Juan Diaz.

Guzman vs. Pac would have been great at 122..where it should have heppend. Guzman has turned into an unprofessional bust since leaving though.

 

David Diaz beat santa cruz while casamayor got beat by santa cruz but was given a gift by the ******ed judges:hi:

 

Really...by getting shut out by PBF and "earning" a ****ing draw with Sergio "****ing" Mora...yeah he drew with Sergio Mora, that should tell you what Shane has in the tank.

 

The reason Berto is appealing is because there would come a time in the fight when Berto would make a run at Pac, he may get KO'd, he may get turned back, he may still lose...but he will swarm Pac at some point, and I want to see how Manny would handle it. I think Manny is better than Berto as it stands today, but Berto has some much raw ability there is really no limit to what he "could be", and it's fights like this that allow a young guy to make a name for himself.