Berto v Collazo who wins?

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  1. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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    Berto easy. Collazo is rubbish IMO
     
  2. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    Wow, exaggerate much. NO defense? NO head movement? NO power? Give me a break.


    Fighting a southpaw - Solid point, but it is the same disadvantage that every fighter faces. Even southpaws facing southpaws face a disadvantage because they don't face that many southpaws. This is rarely an issue for fighters with Berto's skill and speed.

    No Power? - Absolutely an idiotic statement. He has an 80 percent KO ratio, and stops people viciously. This is actually such a dum statement that I wonder if you thought about it before you wrote it. Fighters that have "NO Power" don't have 80 percent KO ratios. Don't be thick.

    Defense - The only issue with his defense is that he keeps his hands low at times, and the reason for this is that it frees him up to combination punch far more effectively. It's a gamble, that's the bottom line, but his punches are more fluid because of it. He has great reflexes and is much better naturally at defense than most fighters, so in my opinion it's a worthwhile gamble. When Mayorga does it, it's dum because he has no reflexes; when guys like Floyd, Berto, & Roy Jones do it, it's not as big a deal. And watching the Forbes fight, he kept his blocked a lot of Forbes punches by switching hands on his head. Forbes is an extremely speedy welterweight and Berto had little problem with his speed. His "lack of defense" is a myth by people that believe that all fighters should fight with their hands up at all times. Even Emmanuel Steward says that his defense is underated, many times in Berto's fights.

    Head Movement - He doesn't bob and weave like Tyson but that doesn't mean his head is there to be hit. His head is very mobile when he's throwing combinations, as is his upper body, making him hard to hit.

    Hasn't gone the distance with a real welter - This is a thoughtless argument, but it's one that many online posters make without thinking about just how ridiculous it is. Every good or great fighter eventually has to go the distance with an upperclass fighter for the first time and their success in those fights is based on skill because that is a scenario that is the gauntlet that all good/great fighters must go through eventually.

    "I question Berto's chin and I question his heart and STAMINA" - I question if you've seen that many of his fights. In the fights that he's actually gone the distance in, he's looked fresh as a daisy in the late rounds. In fact Emmanuel Steward remarked that Berto looked fresher in the late rounds of the Forbes fight than he did in the first.

    The funny thing is that Berto actually has some legitimate issues, but they aren't the ones you posted. The stamina and "no power" parts are most telling, and I wonder if you're just going on heresay. If you are then I suggest that you try to watch more than a couple fights before making predictions based on incorrect reasoning because you're pulling stuff out of thin air.
     
  3. Otodat

    Otodat Active Member Full Member

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    Oh, and I have Berto winning this fight. I'll be shocked if he loses this fight when Shane didn't have too much problem with Collazo. I haven't seen the special thing that Collazo can do, and he himself has had problem against top class competition like Mosley and Hatton. His activity level wasn't high enough in both fights, and that is a big problem against Berto because one of the main reason Forbes was able to compete was his activity level. If Collazo wins, it would be by KO, plain and simple. Not that it's because he would have to KO Berto to beat him, but that he timed him well and landed an accurate KO punch.
     
  4. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    People do overrate this guy. Let him beat a top opponenet and then we can start calling him the future of the division.
    I don't question his stamina or heart much, but that chin has shown some shaky vulnerabilities. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he gets clocked by a fighter who can bang.
    True... his head movement is almost non existant at times. Particularly when he's on the inside. You're not James Toney buddy, so either learn to move your head or get the **** out of the inside before you get decked.





    My prediction: Collazo gives berto problems with lateral movement and in and out powerpunching. In the end, Collazo takes this by UD or by late rounds KO. Should be a good one.
     
  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Collazo troubles Berto at times, but ultimately Berto is gonna be too fast and busy for Collazo. Berto by UD.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    (noteworthy)
     
  7. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mosley did dominate Collazo but Hatton didn't. Collazo is not slow he has good speed and isn't a bad boxer. I don't think Berto is on Mosley's level so I wouldn't be surprised if Collazo beat him. I'm taking Berto by close decision though.
     
  8. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Mosley dominated Collazo but he got his bell rung pretty hard a few times. Collazo isn't a puncher, no, but he seems to have the power to stun if he lands flush. He stopped Mosley in his tracks a few times, and Mosley is a durable piece. We'll see how often Berto gets caught cold, and what sort of effect it will have.
     
  9. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    Forbes would take anyone the distance his defensive skills are underated.

    Mosley had no trouble dealing with Collazo either.

    Berto will control this fight after he susses the southpaw style.

    I cant see Collazo causing any problems because hasn't been active and he wont have the timing...

    Berto by UD, Id be surprised if Collazo heard the final Bell.

    Berto has got pop but he only really loads up on his punches after 5 or 6 rounds...

    Thats what he did against Miguel Rodriguez, he led Miguel into a false sense of security then took his head off when Miguel got a bit too cocky and confident in there...
     
  10. bennyj

    bennyj Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Once again, if collazo can give atg Hatton trouble and almost beat him, he should beat this clown Berto no problem.And NEW wbc champ,lol
     
  11. Sanchez39

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  12. 555east

    555east Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mosley was still able to score a knockdown on Collazo despite being stunned.

    and (as others have said on here) Berto's no slouch in regards to his power

    considering Luis has been dropped and stopped before, might I add so who's saying Collazo can stand up to Berto's power?