Besides Leonard, Who beats Hearns @Welterweight

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Artie Levine gave Robinson a hard fight.I think Hearns would stop him early.
    Hearns beat
    Gray
    Haymon
    Weston
    Maunsurin
    Shields
    Baez
    Cuevas
    Gazo
    Nothing wrong with that resume ,imo.
    Zivic couldn't beat Freddie Red Cochrane,how do you think he would do with Hearns?
     
  2. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe prime Napoles. Angie Dundee had Napoles & Leonard.

    If SRL can get to WW Hearns' body, then Napoles would too.

    Hearns vs Cuevas was in Detroit; Napoles vs Hearns would probably
    be in LA or Mexico City. Manny Steward might say: "Oh chite".
     
  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I don't think Hearns was any where near unbeatable, very formidable to be sure, but not unbeatable. Especially if he went after a guy right away, but I have always wondered why he didn't go after Leonard?

    Guys that can either ride out the early storm or that know how to avoid a right hand and get to his body will beat Hearns. Zivic, at his best, was certainly capable of doing it, and there are others as well. It could very well be trial by fire if Hearns comes out firing but I don't ever remember Hearns coming out on top when the other guy landed back.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Napoles didn't have the hand speed of Leonard,it might be more difficult for him. Jimmy McLarnin could give Hearns problems early but that jab is a monster of a weapon to overcome.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Nobody is unbeatable,the nearest at147lbs was SRR ,imo. Zivic lost to some ordinary fighters.
     
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  6. tinman

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    Nobody has mentioned Trinidad. Tito if he can weather the storm could crack Hearn's chin.
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I actually think Hearns strategy against Leonard was sound. He boxed and moved and kept the jab going as his defense and he kept racking up rounds. But the body shots and the attrition eventually got to him and he was there to be taken out in the 13th and 14th. Tommy Hearns had a ton of power and wasn't a particularly great defensive fighter. His best defense was his offense.

    His tendency was to fight fire with fire, but that could also work against him at times because he didn't have a great chin.
     
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  8. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tito would have gotten stopped inside of three .Stephens,Carr,Campas all knocked him down in his prime. Hearns levels him.
    I admire Basilo but Hearns is 6'1 and Basilo is what 5'8- Hearns jab would have busted him up .
    Jose Napoles had hell with the tall Lewis and Hearns was a much better boxer add to the fact Napoles cuts and Napoles is in trouble.
    Kid Galvan i think had the chin and stamina to test Hearns but had no power .
    Maybe Emile Griffith- he could box plus get rough on the inside.
     
  9. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robinson only. No one else. Let's look at some of the great welters in history. Start with M.Walker. Walker had the physicality to defeat Hearns. But not at welter. Hearns at the higher weights was still a dangerous puncher, but wasn't near as dangerous as he was at welter/jr middle. Factor in Walker being 5'7" with a short reach, he would be in the same style disadvantage as Duran was. And he didnt have Durans defense . Zivic was a another tough, physical fighter, he was taller than Walker, but didnt punch as hard. He gave Robinson hell. But styles make fights, I see Hearns behind that long jab, keeping Zivic at bay until Hearns finds the range and drops that right hand. H.Armstrong to small, to easy to hit. Napoles, same as Arnstrong, but much better defensively. But Hearns would eventually get to him. D.Curry. had the physical ability and size to deal with Hearns BUT cant see him winning with that chin. Delahoya, Trinidad, also had the physicality needed to fight Hearns and be successful. But Delahoya had a problem with speed. Trinidad was one dimensional, they would both lose. And the millenials "Greatest of all time". Mayweather Jr. Had too many physical disadvantages, too, small, too cautious, didn't hit hard enough, didnt have a focused body attack, rarely used combination punching at welter. He would probably be the easiest fight for Hearns of all the fighters I listed to be honest. To beat a Hearns esp at Welter a fighter had to be very good to excellent in most areas of boxing. A fighter had to be defensively sound, have a very good to great chin, hit hard enough to get his respect. Have a sound body attack, be very, very fast, have the height and reach to minimize his height and reach advantages he naturally would have over almost all welters in history. The only two are the two Sugar Ray's that possessed all of those attributes needed.
     
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  10. Contro

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    Mayweather isn't beating Hearns. Stylistic nightmare for FMJ. He isn't taking anything away from hearns, look at the DLH fight and imagine De La Hoya better, taller, more explosive, a decade younger and with a right hand that surpasses de la Hoyas Hook. Tommy Hearns was never outboxed, not even by HOFer, LHW king and future cruiserweight champ Virgil hill
     
  11. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Would you give either Mosley or Forrest a shot?
     
  12. NoNeck

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    Floyd won more rounds against Oscar than anyone else who took him to the cards and dominated the second half of the fight. Claiming it's a stylistic mismatch is just speculative because Floyd actually did fine fighting guys who were taller, bigger, or harder punching than he was.

    Hearns looks like he has enough to win. But at 147 he was inexperienced, and for his entire career he was far less adaptable than Mayweather. If Mayweather figures somehting out after a few rounds and starts taking control, I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy fails to adjust after that and ends up losing. Hearns carried his left low and coukd be hit with lead right hands and jabs to the body.
     
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  13. Flash24

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    Hell no and no. Though I would like Forrest chances better than Mosley, because of his height and reach. Mosely was a one trick pony too me. He had a helluva A game. But if a fighter was able too take away his "A" game, he never had a Plan B. No matter what his corner would do or say, he never showed during a fight he could adjust and win. Always got that "dear in the headlights look" when A game was taken away.
     
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  14. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    I think the Mosley that fought Oscar would have at least a chance - maybe 25%. But only if he could force a brawl on the inside...
     
  15. tinman

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    Tito didn't have an iron chin, but neither did Hearns. And unlike Hearns Tito was packing dynamite in both hands not just the right.

    I think Hearns is the better fighter overall. But H2H it comes down to who lands first and it might be Tito.