Best 100 heavyweights 1885 to 1955, input please.

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My selections, 61-80;
    McAuley, Rosenbloom, Walker, McCarty, Braddock, Kilrain, Valdez, Godfrey 1, Valdez, Baker, Mauriello, Kaufman, Flynn, Dillon, Levinsky, Miske, Childs, Denver Smith, Killen, Jim Johnson.

    That leaves Cardiff, Laing, Moran, Coffey, Firpo, Weinert, Renault, Uzcuden, Risko, Toles, Buddy Baer, Simon, Galento, Nova, Sheppard, La Starza, Baksi, Oma, Armstrong, Ferguson, Savold, Lesnevich, schreck, lesnevich, fox, Burke, Meehan, Mitchell and whoever I forgot and any of you wants to add on fighting for the last 20 places, help required at this stage! Also, overall the standard really drops off after the top 40 or so.
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure Jim Johnson and Childs belong in that group.
     
  3. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Braddock in that group seems a little off to me considering Baer is in the top 20
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Johnson was the last one I put in, who would you replace them with?
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think most would agree with you but other than the Baerr win i don't see much.
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    THe last bunch of 20, 81-100; Cardiff, Laing, Moran, Coffey, Firpo, Weinert, Renault, Uzcuden, Risko, Toles, Buddy Baer, Simon, Galento, Nova, , La Starza, Baksi, Oma, Armstrong, Ferguson, Savold, Schreck, any input before we close off the top 100?
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Here's all the groups, just to make it easier to comment on (for me anyway), apologies if I make any mistake
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    Corbett, Jackson, Fitz, jeffries, johnson, dempsey, tunney, schmeiling, (jack) sharkey, carnera, Max Baer, louis, Charles, Marciano, Langford, Mcvey, Jeannette, Wills, Sullivan, Walcott
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    Burns, Goddard, Maher, (Tom) Sharkey, hart, Clarke, Gunboat, Gibbons, Godfrey 2, Pastor, Conn, Bivins, Moore, Willard, Loughran, Murray, Maxim, Ray, Henry, Greb.
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    Slavin,Choynski, Ruhlin, Martin, McCoy, Root, Gardner, O'Brien, Norfolk, Gains, Farr, Schaaf, Hamas, Stribling, Godoy, H Johnson, Layne, Thompson, Fulton and Bettina
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    McAuley, Rosenbloom, Walker, McCarty, Braddock, Kilrain, Valdez, Godfrey 1, Valdez, Baker, Mauriello, Kaufman, Flynn, Dillon, Levinsky, Miske, Childs, Denver Smith, Killen, Jim Johnson.
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    Cardiff, Laing, Moran, Coffey, Firpo, Weinert, Renault, Uzcuden, Risko, Toles, Buddy Baer, Simon, Galento, Nova, , La Starza, Baksi, Oma, Armstrong, Ferguson, Savold, Schreck
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Personally
    I'd swap Buddy Baer and Nova for Jim Johnson and Frank Childs
    I'd probably move Valdez and Braddock for Root, and Gardner.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would definitely agree with this.

    Also, in group IV, do you have Nino Valdes down twice or was there someone else I'm forgetting?
     
  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Buddy's best win; Simon, Galento, Savold, bad loss to Barlund,
    Nova; beat Farr, Max Baer, Simon drew with Pastor, lost to Rosenbloom, Galento, Savold, Mauriello
    Gardner beat Root, Hart drew with Flynn, lost to Fitz, Schreck
    Root beat Gardner, Hart, Flynn, McCoy, lost to Hart, Gardner
     
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  11. mattdonnellon

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    Jim Johnson beat Jeannette, Clarke, Wills, Pelkey, lost to McVea, Jeannette, Clarke, Langford, drew Jack Johnson
    Frank Childs beat Armstrong, lost to Choynski, Martin, Johnson
    Braddock beat Baer, Farr, Lewis, lost to Loughran, Rosenbloom, Schaaf
    Valdez beat Charles, Jackson lost to H.Johnson, Moore, Baker, Satterfield, Machen, Folley
     
  12. mattdonnellon

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    Based on the above observations I'll definitly move Nova up. I'd stick with Jim Johnson over Buddy Baer Scartissue is correct about Valdez been there twice, so Childs survives. I'll move Valdez up for Root down and bring in Cardiff for the second Valdez. That leave a spare place in the last tier for Mitchell.
    Thanks to BitPlayer for the tiers;
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    Corbett, Jackson, Fitz, jeffries, johnson, dempsey, tunney, schmeiling, (jack) sharkey, carnera, Max Baer, louis, Charles, Marciano, Langford, Mcvey, Jeannette, Wills, Sullivan, Walcott
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    Burns, Goddard, Maher, (Tom) Sharkey, hart, Clarke, Gunboat, Gibbons, Godfrey 2, Pastor, Conn, Bivins, Moore, Willard, Loughran, Murray, Maxim, Ray, Henry, Greb.
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    Slavin,Choynski, Ruhlin, Martin, McCoy, Valdez, Gardner, O'Brien, Norfolk, Gains, Farr, Schaaf, Hamas, Stribling, Godoy, H Johnson, Layne, Thompson, Fulton and Bettina
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    McAuley, Rosenbloom, Walker, McCarty, Braddock, Kilrain, Root, Godfrey 1, , Baker, Mauriello, Kaufman, Flynn, Dillon, Levinsky, Miske, Childs, Denver Smith, Killen, Jim Johnson, Carpentier.
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    Laing, Moran, Coffey, Firpo, Weinert, Renault, Uzcuden, Risko, Toles, Buddy Baer, Simon, Galento, La Starza, Baksi, Oma, Armstrong, Ferguson, Savold, Schreck, Cardiff
     
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  13. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Valdez was in twice because I left Carpentier out, corrected now!
     
  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    What??? No one put Joe Louis down???
     
  15. mattdonnellon

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    ?? Louis is in group 1