***Best 15 middleweights H2H***

Moore is overrated.

 

Crude is definitely the wrong word, as his skillset is good. I am meaning more the application of his physical assets, mainly strength, could be crude or misguided. I don't doubt the rest of his skillset, as you know I am a big admirer of Smith and very much like the subtle feints he threw vs Johnson.

The wins vs Burley are huge though.

I think if we had footage, it could be a different story (I.E he is one of the best)

In what ways?

 

Because going by what I've seen, his punch power, defense, style and strength ,make him a formidable opponent for anyone in history,

 

I ****ing love you , you crazy ass big sack of ****. Serious though GMan is not better than Pavlik :rofl

 

1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Stanley Ketchel
4. Mickey Walker
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Marcel Cerdan
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. Roy Jones Jr.
10. Charley Burley
11. Tony Zale
12. Tiger Flowers
13. Bernard Hopkins
14. Tommy Ryan
15. Jake LaMotta

 

Do you seriously think Tony Zale would have beaten Bernard Hopkins?

 

Fair enough. I do think some of the harder hitters and stronger guys do beat him, but he is a good wildcard IMO.

Sorry to butt in, but I really dont know how to rank Zale here. Would love to see a case for and against him being in the top 10.

 

1. Langford
2. Hagler
3. Monzon
4. Robinson
5. Toney
6. McCallum
7. Reggie Johnson
8. Eubank
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. Rodrigo Valdez

11. Charley Burley
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Harry Greb
14. Roy Levester Jones
15. Jorge Fernando Castro

 

Sweet list!!!

 

The fighters I think would be best head-to-head are those that might not have a clearly defined style, or if they did, it would be an unorthodox one.

What I mean by that is, a fighter who is defined as a textbook boxer or a stereotypical brawler will always have his undoing against a skilled fighter with a counterstyle. A good boxer can and will on occasion be usurped by a good swarmer, etc.

You throw something goofy into the mix, a guy that is so off the wall that there is no real textbook way to devise a fight plan against him, and that's your man.

To that end I pick Greb and Monzon. Greb was all over the place, and yes, while he was a brawler extraordinaire, he did it in such a way that would be difficult to overcome for almost anybody. I remember reading Tunney's description of him....."figting Greb was like having a box full of boxing gloves tip over and fall all around your head."

..........Or something like that. Not exactly the sterotypical swarmer.

Monzon was also unorthodox in his ways and had no one defined style. He could fight off the back foot, he could apply constant but subtle pressure......he could do whatever he had to do depending on the opponent.

 

#10. Jake LaMotta
#09. Joey Giardello
#08. Dick Tiger
#07. Freddie Steele
#06. Ezzard Charles
#05. Bernard Hopkins
#04. Carlos Monzon
#03. Sugar Ray Robinson
#02. Roy Jones Jr.
#01. Marvin Hagler

 

Awe...hell no? Rocky Graziano not in the top 3? Jesus Christ. Son if you wanna stick around here stay off the drugs.