Best 5 all-time Aboriginal boxers!

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  1. COULDHAVEBEEN

    COULDHAVEBEEN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We've certainly had our share of great aboriginal boxers. I reckon our top 5 would read someting like this:

    1/ Dave Sands.
    2/ Lionel Rose.
    3/ Tony Mundine (Snr).
    4/ Hector Thompson.
    5/ Anthony Mundine (Jnr).

    For me, Sands has to be number 1. Dead at 26, Sands still managed to accumulate 97 wins (63 KO), 10 losses (2 KO) and 1 draw. He was about to head over to the USA, and would surely have added a world title to an already impressive collection of Commonwealth & Australian titles.

    Rose was 27 wins, 2 losses when he went over to Tokyo and won the WBC & WBA titles from Fighting Harada. He won 6 times as champ, including 3 title defences. Unfortunately, he then ran into a legend in Olivaris, and was probably never the same again. Still his 42 wins from 53 matches remains impressive (sadly though he lost 6 of his last 9).

    Like Rose, Mundine Snr racked up a brilliant record only to run into another legend, this time Monzon. Mundine's 80 wins (64 KO), 15 losses (10 KO) and a draw record included more Australian titles than you could poke a stick at. He also won Commonwealth MW & LHW titles. In a different era he would certainly have won a world title.

    Hec Thompson's record of 73 wins (27 KO), 12 losses (7 KO) and 2 draws included Commonwealth & Australian titles. It took another legend in Duran to stop him from winning a world title.

    Anthony Mundine has put together a handy 33 wins (23 KO) and 3 losses (1 KO), thus far. Being the only active fighter amongst this group he still has the chance to improve on his numbers.
     
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  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    You reckon Choc deserves more credit than Harding or Peden?
     
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  3. COULDHAVEBEEN

    COULDHAVEBEEN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair argument for Peden (Aboriginal mother / Scottish father). His 25 wins (14 KO), 4 losses (2 KO) and an IBF title are formidable.

    Have never thought of Jeff Harding as being aboriginal. If he is, I'd certainly put him ahead of Mundine Jnr.
     
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    You know I might be wrong but I have been told that by a few people, growing up I never remember thinking he was.
    I dont know if they just think that because he live around Redfern these days.

    Obviously Choc isnt a pure blood aboriginal, so Robbie should qualify aswell.
    I would rank him comfortably above Mundine JR at this stage.

    James Swan deserves a mention even though he had a horror pro career.

    One of our best amatuers of all time hands down.
    2 x commonwealth bronze, 2 x Olympian. Won several international AIBA events, Im sure theres more he did aswell.
     
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  5. sallywinder

    sallywinder Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1/ Dave Sands.
    2/ Lionel Rose.
    3/ Tony Mundine (Snr).
    4/ Hector Thompson.
    5/ Ron Richards

    Born Randell William Richards, at Ipswich, QLD in 1910, Ron was often ranked by boxing experts as one of the finest boxers ever produced in this country.
    He took the Australian middleweight championship in 1933 and held it again from 1936 to 1942. Ron was also Australian light heavyweight champion between 1937 and 1941 and heavyweight champion between 1936 and 1938 and 1940-41. His middleweight battles with
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    An indigenous Australian, Richards was a good looking, tough boxer and expert counter-puncher His rise to prominence in Australian boxing began when he started fighting in
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    boxing tent at Boonah at the tender age of 15.
    Amongst his greatest fights was his victory over
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    , who went on to become world light heavyweight champion in 1941. Ron died in Sydney in 1967. he also fought two great fights against the legendary archie moore.....
    Ron Richards was inducted into the
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    http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ron_Richards
     
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  6. COULDHAVEBEEN

    COULDHAVEBEEN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No arguments with RICHARDS. Have read a lot about him, and it's always hard to gage the ones you never saw.

    Richards, fighting in the 30's and 40's, probably never got the opportunity to fast track his career like you can now, particularly overseas. From a glance at Richard's long record I couldn't see him having fought once outside Australia.

    Coincidently, it seems Richard's, like Mundine Snr, collected Australian titles at various weights up to HW, almost at will.

    Richard's 95 wins (57 KO), 26 (8 KO) and 10 draws plus Commonwealth & Australian titles certainly says plenty! In fact, probably enough to put him ahead of Mundine Jnr.
     
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  7. sallywinder

    sallywinder Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    youre right CHB...

    its hard to compare boxers in different eras. all you can do is measure them in their own eras against quality of opposition. mundine possibly has the potential to be one of the top two, but refuses to fight quality opponents. the ones he has faced, beat him. mundines greatest asset is the lack of boxing talent in oz. if there were more fighters to talk about, less would be mentioned of him, and less credit given.

    mundine is a non drinker. richards was a raging **** head. had richards had mundines abstinence...........
     
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  8. bushboy

    bushboy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Abstinence, geez while your on the subject of that have a think about how much good it could have done harding or Rose
     
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  9. gloveup

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    mate we have had some great aboriginal boxers. even a top 10 would be to hard to call. Sands, Richards and Mundine Snr are mine favourites though. Its alll opinion though.

    Dino
     
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  10. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why didnt Wally Carr ever fight Tony Mundine?

    Were they mates and thats why?
     
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  11. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Dave Sands, as his potential was never fulfilled.
    Lionel Rose, had he not been kept at Bantam for sooo long, he may well have been our first dual world champion.
    Anthony Mundine, he has the punch, timing and ability to be so much more.
    Ron Richards, in todays standards, Middle, Super Middle and LightHeavy belts would have been almost a walk in the park.
    Tony Mundine, hs chin has been questioned, so has life on mars. He was a complete fighter.
     
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  12. r_9-Ronaldo

    r_9-Ronaldo Shinny Shadez Full Member

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    Anthony the man Mundine, had the potential to be australia's greatest fighter ever, just didn't have the right tactic
     
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  13. DaSweetScience

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    Great thread.

    Whilst waiting for the 100m final I've had a crack at a top 20.

    1/ Dave Sands.
    2/ Lionel Rose.
    3/ Tony Mundine (Snr).
    4/ Hector Thompson.
    5/ Ron Richards
    6/ Anthony Mundine
    7/ Robbie Peden
    8/ Wally Carr
    9/ Lawrence Baby Cassius Austin
    10/ Jack Hassen/Cliff Samardin
    11/ George Bracken
    12/ Graeme Porky Brooke
    13/Doug Sam
    14/ Elley Bennett
    15/Glen Kelly
    16/Kevin Kelly
    17/ Gary Cowburn
    18/Jerry Jerome
    19/Johnny Jarrett
    20/Brian Roberts

    Honorable Mentions : Bobby Sinn, Neal Patel, Dick Blair, Trevor Christian, Big Jim West, Norm Kid Langford, Gary Williams, Steve Dennis, Pat Leglise, Harry Grogan, George Kapeen, Harry Hayes, Phil Khan, Ray Mcgrady, The Sands Brothers, Russell Sands Jr

    Works in progress - Daniel Geale, Jamie Pittman, Willie Kickett, Wayne Parker Junior, Robert Toomey, Edgar Wymarra, Jason Crowe, Fred Mundraby

    P.S. The Hitman is part anglo part polish
     
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  14. DaSweetScience

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    On the amateur side.

    Joe Donovan, Jeff Dynevor, Adrian Blair, James Swan, Justann Crawford, Norman Stevens, Anthony Little, James Swan, Darrell Hiles,
     
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  15. sallywinder

    sallywinder Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    homourable mention....tony lovelock aka; tony dallas. (my godfather)
     
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