Best 5 Boxers Since 1960 ?

I believe you are underrating Monzon in that case, as I consider him the best MW of all time and would favor him over any at the weight. It takes a good deal of devotion to understand his style and effectiveness, but I believe he would've beaten them all, Hagler included. I've done analysis on this matchup as well.

Based on your criteria, my list would probably be as follows, though the first 4 can really be in any order:

1. Ray Leonard
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Roberto Duran
4. Roy Jones Jr.
5. Jose Napoles

HM: Griffith, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler, Hearns, Jofre, etc.

 

At least one other at this forum that recognize this. Thank god!

The guy came out on top after standing toe to toe with Frazier for 14 rds in one of his most famous fights, and yet people with truly profound knowledge of boxing claims that he couldn't fight inside to save his life. It just baffles me.

 

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Do you think Monzon would beat Sugar Ray Robinson at middleweight?I'm glad to see Duran still in there based on my criteria, people all too often make the mistake of thinking that to be a great boxer in terms of ability means they have to have been a boxer with great speed and footwork and defence, and box with the jab, circling the ring- ie, discounting anyone who didn't necessarily fight in this silky, skilful style. Duran was great in this way yes, but primarily he could brawl like a beast, and I think he was so good at it that he deserves to be up there on his own style and ability.

 

Duran was one of the most skilled fighters of all time, this is common knowledge. Anyone disputing it is a moron.

Yes, I would favor Monzon clearly over Robinson at MW. Robinson was a natural WW who was so good that he managed to make a good part of his career fighting at a weight above his best, but I wouldn't directly favor him over the likes of Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Jones Jr., etc. Monzon would be his worst matchup.

 

So many great fighters to choose from...

In order, here are mine:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Roberto Duran
3. Mike Tyson
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Alexis Argüello

 

Chavez doesn't belong above someone like Emile Griffith, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, etc. Chavez is a tad overrated career-wise. People put too much emphasis on his winning streak without taking into account the fact that the majority of those were bums and he didn't really hit his stride IMO until LW(as he was struggling at 130 with guys like La Porte and Lockridge). His best win was over Meldrick Taylor(a controversial win at that, though I believe it was justified and Chavez fought well), and barring his huge winning streak, I don't see what rates him above guys with better names on their resumes and just as good(if not better) overall skills.

He might make my top 10 post-60's, but definitely not my top 5.

 

1. Roberto Duran
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Ray Leonard
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Carlos Monzon.

 

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I have to agree with Sweet Pea. Chavez was a great fighter yes, but I do have to say I think he was maybe a bit too... limited to be considered a top 5 post 60s. I don't think he could adapt to different fighting styles as well as say Leonard or Duran. A certain type of boxer would always beat Chavez (a fast boxer with great resilience, ie Whitaker), it was the only big defect in him as a fighter. A great, but not top 5.

 

While more inconsistent(partly due to career management in early days, though also to do with decline and a bit of incosistency in it), he had the much better overall resume, and he was arguably a top 10 ATG in two weight classes, WW and MW(though he was probably top 5 at WW). Aside from Rodriguez, who was another one of the best WW's of all time, he proved himself superior to most he fought. Which foes are you thinking of? I actually have heard some argue that he won the 2nd Monzon fight.

 

Here are the Ring's top 5 per 2002 out of interest

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Roberto Duran
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Carlos Monzon

I'm quite happy to go along with that list. Robbi had all the names and only one spot different.

 

I had that exact list.

 

Smart man

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