Quick demolition of seemingly tough South African makes me think of Hasegawa as a possible candidate for a best bantamweight in last 20 years. So lets make a short list of possible entrees: 1. Orlando Canizales. Undefeated as a bantamweight. Started his magical title run in 1988 and ended it 1994 to move up in weight. Have defended his belt 16 times in total (14 in 1990's). However his opposition was relatively poor. Only Paul Gonzalez and Bones Adams can be rated as world-class opponents. And he looked inconsistent inhis first fight with tough but low-skilled Brit Bill Hardy. All in all, it was a nice run but it was a bit padded. 2. Jorge Eliecer Julio. Two-time world champion (WBA: 1992-1993 - 2 defences, WBO: 1997-2000 - 3 defences). However, he looked good only against average opposition. On the other hand, he had lost only to the best while at his prime (Junior Jones and Johnny Tapia) and only on points. Compiled a nice list of second-tier opponents to his resume. 3. Johnny Tapia. Made a brief stay at 118lb but was noticed in several important fights. Started with a MD over extremely tough Nana Konadu to get the WBA title in 1998, then lost to Paulie Ayala in FOTY 1999. Outpointed Julio to take his WBO in 2000, made one successful defence and then lost to Ayala again but in a catchweight. Too brief on my mind. But his natural ability was extreme. 4. Paulie Ayala. Since 1992 till 1998 outpointed every single notable journeyman and made a good share of NABF defences. Was decisioned by Tatsuyoshi in 1998 but came back strong to outpoint Tapia in 1999 FOTY and took his WBA belt. Retained it thrice (including a win over 45-1 Johnny Bredahl) and had another win over Tapia but in a catchweight. Was impressive ans looked strong in 118lb. 5. Nana Konadu. Made a brief brisk in 1989 by terribly beating Gilberto Roman in 1989. Was relatively lost in Spain (but outpointed ex-champ Rabanalles) for years, then - all of a sudden - stopped great Sahaprom (was on a brink of defeat in that fight) in 1996, lost to his compatriot Chuvatana by TD and avenged it in 1997 (TKO 7). In 1998 retained his belt once and then gave prime Johnny Tapia helluva fight but lost a decision. 6. Joichiro Tatsuyoshi... And still rocking... Got the WBC title in his 8th pro fight stopping Greg Richardson in 1991, lost it immediately (TKO) to Victor Rabanalles in 1992. Avenged it via SD in 1993, then took a year off and lost it to Yasuei Yakushiji on points. Became WBC champion for the third time in 1997 by stopping young Sirimongkol Singwancha. Retained it twice, including a win over Ayala, then had lost twice by kayos to Sahaprom. 7. Veeraphol Sahaprom. Started it all in 1994 at the age of 26 after a long muay thai career. Captured the belt in his 4th pro fight only (one short of a WR) outpointing 55-5-3 Chuvatana in 1995, then lost it by TKO to Konadu. Blew out every single Filipino journeyman + Tseveenpurev from 1996 till 1998. Stopped Tatsuyoshi in 1998 and then made a decent run, retaining the WBC title 14 times. While such opponents as Julio Cesar Avila or Cecilio Santos were terrible, tough Adan Vargas and Ricardo Barajas, champions Tatsuyoshi and Nishioka (reigning, was defeated twice + two draws) were indeed good. Lost it all to Hasegawa in 2005. 8. Hozumi Hasegawa. It was all said about him. 8 defences over 4 years with six worthy opponents and worthless Martinez and Faccio. 9. Tim Austin. Was scary punishing and maybe one of the best bantam destroyers in history. Captured the IBF title in 1997 destroying long-time unbeaten champion Botile and defended it 9 times. Oposition was mediocre but wins over Adan Vargas, Adrian Caspari and Sor Vorapin were worthy. Lost it to Marquez in 2003. 10. Rafael Marquez. It was a long road to the title fight and it featured two wins over future IBHOF entry Mark Johnson. Defeated Tim Autin by TKO in 2003 and made seve defences (2003-2006) mixing tough (Mabuza - twice, Pastrana - twice) and average (Vargas, Ruiz, Frissina) opposition. Was a destructive puncher in bantamweight.
Canizales was good at bantamweight. Also wilfredo Vazquez was a champ at that weight athout short too.
It should have been Naseem Hamed after he won the European Bantam title, but he wasted a lot of time with the WBC International Super Bantam belt before his WBO Feather reign. With is awesome power he would walked through the list of names on the thread Shame
I agree with your top choice. Canizales by a landslide for me. Absurdly underrated, one of the best Bantamweights of all time IMO.
Veeraphol deserves a big reevaluation. 4 wars with southpaw Nishioka - who went on to stop Genaro Garcia and Jhonny Gonzalez for WBC super bantam title. Barely lost the title, in another epic, vs Hasegawa, also in Japan. Longevity, accurate fast puncher, and could sustain a big pace for 12 rds, in hostile terrain, even when he was old.
Division of underrated and overlooked fighters. Of the above mentioned fighters, Hasegawa (whom I want to see in the US vs. one of the western elite names), can put some more quality names in the bag, he has a year and a half until 31 Dec 2010 if you count the decade like that. Sahaprom is still active, but he's going nowhere I'm afraid. I wouldn't pick a name because I just don't know half of the guys enough to judge them properly. But BW had a bunch of great fighters and has some today too. It'll be interesting to see what they have to offer for the rest of the decade.
Those guys weren't bantamweights. My pick is Canizales despite is competition not being great the guy was one hell of a fighter,Rafa,Tapia,and Austin would be next. great thread :good
Definitely, Hasegawa is in a great position. Already had 2 BIG wins - war and then KO of Veeraphol. Hozumi definitely finished the brilliant Thai (one of the most naturally gifted fighters I've seen). That stoppage of Malinga was nice, as Vusi was considered a prospect. The next opponent looks very credible. An excellent, consistent fighter is Hasegawa. One thing: ppl are saying Hasegawa will move up to featherweight & challenge Chris John. I hope not, but if he's strugglign with the weight-making...I'd like to see him in with a rival champ. Darchinyan could be a big fight. Or maybe Nishioka for the WBC belt at 122 (though they will probably both go in totally different directions, with their own career paths.
Nice thread. I enjoyed the read and thought it was a good list. Can't go wrong with the #1 spot either, like Sweet Pea says Canizales was absurdly under-rated.
:-( @ all the people voting for Marquez. Its Canizales and its not even close. Sahaprom is probably on par with Rafa at the moment...And Hasagawa may soon be.
Canizales was an excellent fighter. He beat good fighters Seabrooks (twice), Bones Adams, Billy Hardy (twice), and some of these were terrific fights. His footwork and his offensive skills were great. However - 2 narrow/controversials wins, v Hardy 1 & Reyes. Not many good challengers, if we're being honest, and a fair bit of padding. He also didn't dominate all his lesser foes - and lost to perhaps his 2 best opponents, up in weight, v Wilfredo Vazquez and Junior Jones. Canizales was coming on vs a tiring Wilfredo Vazquez, but started too slowly and lost in his own hometown. Jones was a former bantam champ, so it's not great for Canizales to lose to a fellow former champ from his best division. Marquez fought guys that actually had big reputations - Tim Austin, Mark Johnson - at the time. Did Canizales? Veeraphol fought away from home v fighters who went on to do something - 4 wars with Nishioka, who went on to win WBC 122 belt v Jhonny Gonzalez, and obviously the narrow loss in another great fight to Hasegawa. Which Canizales opponents went on to do something impressive? I'm not trying to have a go at Canizales, just to point out some of the asterisks against his name.
Canizales. Hasewaga is some fighter and he appears to be getting better. Please let the big fights be made in the not to distant future.
Fair points rumour..but I feel Too sharp's little foray in bantamweight was ill conceived..It looked like a man vs a boy in there. Austin was fairly overrated IMO...a good fighter, but not much more..Not the p4p candidate some thought he might be. I sometimes feel American's that do well at the lighter weights are immediately put up on a pedestal because they are a rarity and they challenge the dominance of the mexicans and asians but thats for a another thread. But to the point...the best bantamweight in that time period was Canizales without a doubt IMO..he looked clearly better then Marquez did I reckon. and would have beaten him 19 times out of 20.