Best boxer in last 30 yrs - `Sugar`Ray Leonard

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Aug 27, 2008.


  1. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I personally woul say duran peak was 78 to 80 or from de jesus 3 to leonard, well his 3 best performance in my mind against them two and palomino where duing that period anyway
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Afraid not.

    Glad to hear someone else likes Morales, I do love the way the guy fights & feel he is underrated by many.
    Leonard as it goes will always be a love hate kinda guy but at least everyone (except rooster) rates him highly.

    Actually... whenever I do a p4p list, Duran is always a spot above Leonard although it is always a struggle in my mind, I DO LIKE SRL & he is 1 of my fav`s but I like others equally well like Chavez, Duran & Pep... Ali is my all time fav boxer with Morales a close 2nd tho (you wont be suprised there then ?)

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  3. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    i also rank Duran ahead of Hagler but its very close and could see why someone can rank Leonard ahead,you could say that SRL beat arguably the best LW ever,that he beat the best JRW ever,the best JRM ever and the best MW ever he has one hell of a record.

    i like Morales too hes badass but i like the Babyface Assassin more.
     
  4. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Nah, I disagree with Hagler and Hearns. Those two are clearly behind the likes of Leonard, Duran, Whitaker and Chavez. Imo even behind Jones, Hopkins, PBF when it comes to p4p ratings.
     
  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Cutting off pretty much all of Duran's lightweight reign, I'd have to say Leonard is the greatest of the past 30 years, but make no mistake, if this was the past 40 years then Duran is the clear cut #1.

    Whitaker is right there with SRL IMO, but Ray should be higher.
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not even close. Leonard was weak and fragile. Leonard couldn't stand the thought of getting hurt in a fight. Look at what Howard did to him for 3 years. Poor guy was destroyed mentally after nine rounds as Norris destroyed him after two rounds except Leonard couldnt walk out of the ring till it was all over.

    Leonard was a weakling who could never stand the thought of facing a formidable opponent in his prime or give rematches. he ducked the best even when he was active 88,89. I dont have to tell you what would have happened to him had it been Nunn instead of Lalonde or Hearns

    Whitaker is overrated too although he was a very solid fighter and very clever - better than Leonard but he's no Roy Jones either.

    Roy Jones was the next Sugar Ray, not leonard. He was just a cheap imitation that knew he better stay out of the ring or else.
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    You're a waste of time on ESB. You clearly have favourites who you can't go against. Jones, Hagler, Norris, and Camacho, etc. You can't seperate favourtism and fairness. And the fighters you dislike, again you can't see the truth and the good in their wins. Jones' best wins are clearly not up there with Leonard's. And I repeat, clearly not. You are a fool and not just an embarassment to this forum, but also yourself.
     
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This post is a study in insanity. Rooster, you know better.

    In terms of courage, Ray Leonard was Alexander the Great compared to Roy Jones who was closer to a puppy under the bedcovers during a thunderstorm.
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sticking to my guns. Leonard pulled out of the sport at a critical time. At a time when a Hagler-Leonard match was ripe, he refused to fight then he came back out when the field had weakened, it's that simple. He knew he wouldn't fare well when it was so competitive. I think it's fairly obvious what the score was for him.


    Look at what happened to him in the Howard fight. He got knocked down and it embarrassed him. He couldn't take it and that's why he went back into retirement. It's evident isn't it?

    Look at Roy Jones! he's been knocked out two consecutive times and he stayed in and made a decent comback since then. That's because he has more heart than Ray Leonard. He could have retired after claiming he was but a shell of what he once was, which he was. But he persisted and that's what sets him apart from the quitters.

    After Hagler was out of the way he picked right up where he left off, one fight after another. And once again he aimed for the weakest opponents he could find like Lalonde, Hearns, Duran instead of Nunn, McCallum, Jackson. These are not matches that demand the public's respect. Then when he decides to get brave and pick a fight with the unheralded Terry Norris, he takes his lumps as I predicted.

    In front of everyone that dissagreed with my I told them alright, NOW let's see what he can do. I wasn't the one who left the casino wearing a somber expression. EVERYONE else was, but everyone else is not me.

    Last thing: whatever happened to all that talk about Leonard's eye coming back for those fights with Lalonde thru Camacho. Was his eye not once damaged?
     
  10. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I'm sticking to my guns. Leonard pulled out of the sport at a critical time. "

    He had a ****ing detached retina, which at the time was career threatening if not career ending. Remember? Or did Leonard just make that up?
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard the best boxer of the past 30 years. Eh. If you must be rigid.

    Duran was the best boxer of the past 50 years. Ay? Although by your reasoning which considers the trajectory of the career, perhaps of the past 60 years. 60 years ago, Robinson was finishing up his WW glory and soon moving up in weight where he would begin to lose...
     
  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And what about later in 84, 87, 88, 89, 91, 97. You dont bother to question these things do you? Is it just that you're blind, stupid or what?
     
  13. The Predator

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    Well, it´s interesting reading about all the different opinions about SRL and everyone is right to his/her opinion but in fairness, if you watch how Leonard boxed against topfighters you have to be honest, he was great.
    In my opinion he was the best and compare him and Roy Jones, well I like Roy Jones but he´s no SRL.
    SRL is just simply magnificent!
    Ali is, well, even better... in my opinion (my favourite boxer!)
    All the best friends
    the Predator
     
  14. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Most people do mate, I have 1 friend that likes Morales better, the rest like Barrera.
    The thing that gets me tho is these guys are casual boxing fans as is most people in Britain but they all know MAB thru the Naseem Hamed fight & they barely know Morales - to me thats just wrong, especially when it SHOULD have been Morales v Naz until Naz called out Barrera.

    I thought it might be different in America but it seems that most prefer Barrera from what Ive heard so far on esb.
    with little to choose talent wise between them, I go for the entertainment factor, thats why I like Morales, its the way fighters should fight IMO.

    :thumbsup
     
  15. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    You know sometimes medicine and science evolves, new techniques and so but well, you are just a waste of time. No arguments, just biased oppinions. Go away troll.

    btw. Leonard SD12 Hagler :yep