Re: Mugabi.And afterwards when he blew his eye out and his chin fell to pieces! Hagler was admittedly on the slide then but Graham wasn't versatile enough to keep it going down the stretch against a fighter of Marv's capability. It'd be close and competitive like the McCallum fight I imagine but with a conclusive ending. And Graham isn't stopping Hagler. As per 'better boxer' than Graham they're totally different. Graham proved his boxing ability throughout his career but he had such an odd way of applying himself in terms of movement and punching form it's hard to compare him to the more conventional out boxers. Mugabi, trained by the same guys that trained Kalule, Wassaja and Boza, was the same textbook style as them without being a southpaw. Obviously he rarely used this facet of his game but when he needed to, it wasn't enough but still showed it was a solid side to his game.
he was a shadow against Mugabi and Leonard, and Graham gave a more gifted fighter than Hagler in Mike M utter fits for six rounds. Be sensible
McCallum was no more gifted than Marv'. He had setbacks as an amateur just as Hagler did as a pro'. He was outmanoeuvred at his absolute peak whereas Hagler was always competitive with those who managed to get a foothold in a boxing match with him. They both possessed two of the greatest chins I've ever seen. But Toney caused Mike hassle punching wise. Hagler barely flinched against Hearns and the likes of Fully Obel and Roldan could barely put a dent in him. Mike scaled more weights with varied success after middle. Marv' was middleweight champ' for yonks. I agree McCallum deserved his shot and would've given Hagler serious hassle even in a hypothetical prime for prime but you cannot place McCallum on a higher pedestal than Hagler in any respect in such a throwaway manner. And you know I take some of your more zany opinions with far more consideration and respect than most. But that is horse**** IMO.
Come on atberry, Graham was a great fighter and no doubt should have been a world champion imo, but he was not in Hagler's league
He should not have been a 'World' champ' unless you consider him to have been robbed against McCallum. Unless ive totally misinterpreted your post, if so, I apologise.
Graham, Colin jones for me and what about Tony always thought sib was unlucky. Talk about always giving his all. Also Dave boy green! Loved watching laing. So naturally gifted but he was his own biggest downfall.
No i don't think he was robbed against McCallum at all, i thought McCallum won it by 2 or 3 pts, though i wouldn't have complained too much if Graham got the decision instead, there have certainly been worse robberies imo. No, what i mean is imo he had all the necessary talent and ability to be a world champ and if things worked out differently he could well have beeen. Perhaps i should have said "could have been" instead of "should have been".
McCallum was the most gifted there was. He'd throw punches so effortlessly, move so effortlessly. He was out-maneuvered because he wasn't as technically astute as Sumbu. Mike was trying to time him with the right hand instead of just letting it go, and that gave Sumbu those extra moments to adjust.
Just my way of saying very good. What i call the fighters that you would probably call "great" is "brilliant". Just my way. If you think it's strange or wrong so be it