Best combination of speed and power per division.....

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Solid list Mark.

    Tyson might even be a consensus pick.

    Haye, well i had Haye so hey no problems!!!

    Moorer at light heavy. I would have liked to see what effect his punches had on some half decent opposition but he's an interesting choice from left field.

    Jones at 168 probably consensus.

    I would have bracketed Jones at well at 160. His punches were insane in that last fight he had there.

    Light middle great.

    SRR simply has to be included at 147. I almost put in SRL as a HM. Blindingly fast and really really good power.

    I'm not as big on Pryor as some but he's a reasonable choice in a division where no-one screams from the rooftops.

    Duran as per above. Very good power and decent speed.

    The rest are all solid choices.

    Good work.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Sorry man, I started to read this on the way home and I gave it a like to say: "****, this looks a great post, I'll like it and reply later." Then I forgot. :lol:

    You're not getting off that easy!

    TBH, not having Holy isn't the main gripe I had. It was having Haye at #1. Guys like Kudryashov & Gassiev are more worthy of it IMO. Haye may have hit decently hard, but it was nothing crazy IMO, and his speed was good, but not blazing. If we're submitting old heavyweights, then I'd say Patterson should be the defacto number one.

    We'll have to disagree there then for sure. I think Spinks and Foster's power is nigh on even, but Spinks was more explosive and sharp with his shots. In terms of just getting a punch from A to B, I'd take Spinks' speed all day. Combinations isn't something I'd compare, as off the top of my head I don't really remember either of them doing it too well.

    Sure, I get that. Kostya made a career there, while those three made pitstops. But in fairness to Floyd and Oscar, there were some scintillating performances in their short stays there, and unlike Pacquiao, a good 20+ rounds to get a scope from. For me, even in the brief shows we got from them at 140, it's enough to rank them above Tszyu here. Napoles' stay wasn't too short though and he beat some brilliant fighters like Espinoza & Perkins. Vs Adolph Pruitt he looks mind-blowing in these areas.

    Other guys I'd consider, and keep in mind, some are quite out there, are: Judah, Pryor, McGirt, Taylor & Cervantes.

    Again, I can see the logic behind not having Pac there due to not fighting there much. But again, for me, vs Diaz (like Hatton), he showed enough for me to be more impressed here than I was with Chapo. Personally, I'd say Williams is LWs best puncher. And he was without question quicker than Chapo. While I find Rosario's win over Bramble impressive as a showing of power, it's not nearly as impressive as dropping Gavilan and Joyce or stopping Jack or Montgomery. I'd probably it's fair to put Mosley above Rosario.

    Maybe Wilde's speed didn't class over on the footage, but Corbett's did. I don't think it's too crazy to say Ebihara is faster.
     
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  3. mark ant

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    Sarcasm?
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    Better had be!
     
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    I rather take the word of the world class fighters and trainers that praised his talents.
     
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    I reckon boxing should not reward endurance, but skill, speed and power.
    I said 10 rounds cause I was also thinking of other people. Personally I'd prefer no more than 5 rounds.
     
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    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be honest i was extremely disappointed (almost hurt!!!) that you hadn't already replied after having the outrageous GALL to actually critique one of my ****ing posts!!!!!!!!!

    I could accept Patterson but why would Dempsey not be on his level or above? You say Haye hit decently hard but not crazy and had good speed but not blazing? How much better was Holyfield's power and speed????

    Spinks was a better combination puncher. I agree to disagree as i truly believe Foster was faster per the thread.

    @McGrain make a call on this one please.

    Decent post. To say some of the stays were short is an understatement. I'm not in any way, shape or form accepting Floyd. The others maybe.

    Get rid of Taylor!!! The guy had very little power as he was totally preoccupied with speed and accumulation. Hew simply does not fit at all.

    To nitpick Williams did not put the Kid down at 135 pounds. Montgomery had been stopped pretty quickly not long prior.

    Mosley is a decent shout.

    I am ambivalent.
     
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    :lol:
    It's not that I don't think Dempsey was on his level, I'd just pick Patterson and I assumed most would too.

    I struggle to see Haye amassing a Puncher's record like Holy's at HW, or CW. And tbh, I'd say the the Holy who fought Qawi, DeLeon & Ocasio was clearly quicker than Haye. Although Kudryashov's power alone is enough to make him a viable pick, he has pretty quick hands too.

    PICK ME PICK ME!

    I agree that Spinks was a better combination puncher, but neither really used them. I think Foster's 1-2-3 is the most lethal combination in LHW history.
    Damn, poor Floyd. :lol:

    I wouldn't pick him either, I wouldn't even have him top three. But Pac, De La Hoya and Napoles should really be above Tszyu. :D
    BOOOO.... He did stop McGirt!
    You're not gonna allow me a pound and a quarter?? I think that Monzon loss was a bit fluky, Montgomery had an excellent chin and avenged the rematch. Davis was just a super-mutant puncher who also happened to be quite a bit bigger.
    I had to Google that word and I'm still having issues. Can you elaborate please? Thanks man.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've terrible trouble with speed if I haven't seen the fighters in the ring together, it takes ages and I have to watch them sort of back-to-back. SO I won't be calling Spinks-Foster today.

    One thing I will say as I'm in - different punches are thrown with different speeds. A fighter can have slower power punches but a faster jab. A fighter can have a very fast first punch but can struggle to close the gap between combinations, to get back on himself. That's very important to me - like there are loads of flyweights faster than Gonzalez for my money but there are no fighters meaningfully faster on punch four, five and six. And i'm not talking about battering a guy along the ropes, i mean open exchanges ring-centre. What matters more? Depends, doesn't it. Your style, the style of your opponent, the quality of your opponent etc. etc. Sometimes you're better with the serpentine jab (Burley) other times you're good at weaving the punches (Robinson), depends who you're in with.

    That's why i've been nowhere near this thread. There's no right answer.
     
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    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough mate. Obviously i am not wrong promoting Foster!!!! Cheers.
     
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    I saw Inoue live a couple of years ago and I’d have to say he’s probably my choice at bantam and alongside Pacquaio, the best combination I’ve seen live (I never saw Jones live).
     
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    There`s no way of knowing, olympic boxing for three rounds is not at the level on world title fights, would he have torn threw the heavyweight division like Foreman? We`ll never know, would have stopped as many fighters as Frazier did? Would he have dropped Ali?
     
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    Taylor stopped McGirt but he couldn`t floor him and hit him with tons of shots round after round, Chavez`s punches had far more effect than Taylor`s when they fought despite Taylor landeing more.