Best condition and weights for both Fury and Wilder?

Wilder has mental issues not physical ones. He can't seem to keep his emotions at bay which is not conducive of a high tier champion.

 

I believe so, yes. He's pretty much been ticking over in and out of camps all throughout the AJ discussions, we've also seen him sporting black eyes earlier in the year when being interviewed with Hearn, so he's been sparring throughout the year too. Fury has always had love handles even when at his peak, I'd be more worried if he didnt.
Theres no doubt in my mind he's in perfect condition for the trilogy, giving him an even better springboard into preperations for the AJ fights.

 

He seems slightly skinnier but around the same

 

You said too low body fat would hinder your life, after saying it would be bad for him to have a low body fat %, associating it with him being naturally large.
So while you did not say exactly what would be too low, it WAS clear to me that you thought 10% was too low for Fury.
I was just observing how unlikely it would be that he would get that low-he has never approached it.
Even with the added muscle from his last fight, he would have to be ~ 235 lbs. to threaten 10% BF!

When in reality given his constitution & metabolism-screwing up history, mid 250's would be very light for him!
And I agree with most all who say it would be too light for him. He has the hand speed, like Ruiz, & would benefit-like old Foreman-from coming in with more BF than most.

So Big George at 256/257 against Morrison & Holyfield respectively is likely in proficiency similar to Fury at ~ 273, given how Fury (with less muscle) is more than 4" taller.

 

If Fury comes in around 300lb I think that’s a good indication that he didn’t take training camp serious which I suspect he didn’t. Fury can be a bit unstable and he might feel he doesn’t have anything to prove and should win easy. Wilder is also unstable but he have everything to prove, he’s like a hurt animal and is very dangerous.

If Fury comes in heavier than last time, which was already too heavy, he most likely didn’t take it serious and will have a rough night.

Wilder should be around 220, I think anything under 215 and he’s too light for Fury.

Hoping for a wild fight without excuses after.

 

Fury coming in at 270 or a little over will be fine - we saw last time that he can still move at that weight and that he's prepared to use it. He can almost just turn up and fight his own game here, he doesn't need to be tailoring himself too much to Wilder, he's levels above and as long as he turns up fit and focused he's unlikely to lose.

IMHO Wilder needs to come in heavy again, if not heavier still - the first fight showed he didn't quite have enough to rely on KO'ing Fury and since a KO is his only realistic path to victory here he's going to need to make sure anything that lands, counts... Most importantly, he needed to stop skipping leg days, and there doesn't seem to be much evidence that he has.

I'm not really sure I see much point in Wilder coming in as light as the first fight - Fury didn't look 100% but was still quick enough and slippery enough.

On the basis that Wilder needs KO, I think he's got better odds of winning if he comes in with a higher power (including in later rounds, if it gets that far, which means still having enough power after clinches, coming in too light will see his power reduced more quickly) and lower chance of landing than he has by coming in lighter but not having enough power to make it count.

 

Yup.
10% is bad for some people(a lot of people, actually). So Fury being so big means that he likely need way more than 10% just to feel good.
So his focus should never be on his weight. That was my point.

But he does carry around some excess flab, without a doubt. He should trim that off.

 

I'd like to see Wilder at 220. Heavier than the first right but not as muscular through his shoulders at 230. I thought that sapped some of his explosiveness.

 

Fury looks like he’s lost some muscle mass. Maybe he ditched some of the strength training he was doing in the lead up to the 2nd fight.

 

Yes generally folks should trim flab, but besides excess skin from having been ~ 400 lbs., some like Old Foreman, Ruiz & Fury will never get lean enough to trim excess flab-they would be lucky to get below 20% BF, fuhgettabout 15%.
But they have the skill set & body types to be excellent at 20 something % BF.

 

265/270 for Fury and 215/220 for Wilder

 

Fury was still shaking off the ring rust in the first fight. I wouldn’t put too much into his actual weight during the fight. His conditioning and rustiness played a bigger role in his performance. Even though he still fought well (knockdowns aside) and decisively won the fight IMO.

He was sharp and strong in the second. Moved well, slipped punches, had a ton of energy throughout the fight. Boxed beautifully. Fury from the second fight knocks out any form or Wilder. Fury and his occasional lack of focus is his most dangerous opponent. A fit and focused Fury is a monster. I hope we see that version of Fury in the next fight.