Best defensive fighter in history while in the pocket?

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  1. elmaldito

    elmaldito Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    James Toney is the most overrated defensive fighter ever.
    He took loads of punches.
     
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  3. Blandman

    Blandman New Member Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker.

    Honorable mention and by far not atg status here but, Chris Byrd did pretty well for himself (for a while) with zero power and fighting well above his weight class. He was never the same after Ibeabuchi though.
     
  4. Eel87

    Eel87 Active Member Full Member

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    No idea. Probably some aggressive guy I've never really seen, like henry Armstrong.
    Julian Williams was real good against Hurd.
     
  5. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Jack Johnson was well known for chatting with ring-siders whilst controlling his man, smiling and lasting many more rounds on a far more regular basis than any fighters mentioned so far. He was not so offensive in close as a Duran for example but the question only asks for defensive fighters.
    He was pretty revolutionary in this regard.
     
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  6. divac

    divac Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly!
    To me "in the pocket" means to be near center ring, not on the ropes or holding and clinching where say Mayweather does a lot of.

    Strictly being defensive and not a lot else I'd say Pernell Whitaker was the best I've seen and I've been a boxing fan since 1980.

    As some in this thread have mentioned, fighters like Duran and Chavez were great defensively and imo capable of being just as good or even better than Pernell Whitaker if they chose to play it as cautious as he did. We can thank the heaven's they didn't as the sight of a fighter with the head and waist movements of those two while still being offensive minded and vicious is just a sight to behold.
     
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  7. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Member Full Member

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    Think how great Toney would have been if he had been consistently disciplined in and out of the ring.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather was very hard to hit while pinned on the ropes. Leonard did well to avoid getting hit in the pocket v Hearns while landing fast hooks in their first clash.
     
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  9. thanosone

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    Pea
    Duran
    Chavez
    Toney
    Tyson was pretty good too.
     
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  10. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We definitely saw glimpses of his very best at times.
    But he had a lot of fights that were decided by a single point.

    Dave Tiberi actually outfought Toney on the inside. Many years later Toney admitted that he lost that fight. (honestly, it could have gone either way)
    Then years later Toney absolutely butchered Barkley.
     
  11. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Toney was not the best defensive fighter in history since he got hit a lot in any fight. He got hit cleanly but he didn't even flinch. That's what he was. The best chin fighter in history.
     
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  12. BigStiffIdiot

    BigStiffIdiot Safer than Adam Smith's laptop password. Full Member

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    Mayweather, he hardly ever seemed to get hit. Although too early to say but Ted Cheeseman will be in these conversations by the end of his career.
     
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    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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  14. BAWA1980

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    Not saying he is the best ever, but Hopkins did a good job of the in the "Alien" part of his career.
     
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    LOL and sam eggington
     
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