Best defensive fighter in history while in the pocket?

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  1. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Brilliant as FMJs defence was I just can’t rate him because of the level of opponent manipulation and the blatant cheating during fights that he was allowed to get away with!
    Constant and persistent ducking below waist height, turning his back to stop opponents from attacking when he was cornered and the use of his elbow when in close
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte & Tyrone Spong!! Full Member

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    So then the question becomes, who was better consistently and on their best nights, Floyd or Toney?

    I personally think both styles were effective, but Toney was the slicker man on his best nights.

    Mayweather the more consistent, and it all boils down to practice versus natural ability.
     
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  3. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As I said earlier, don’t rate Mayweather he cheated too much so it doesn’t come down to Toney or Mayweather
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte & Tyrone Spong!! Full Member

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    But his cheating is not in question here, we didn't ask who is the cleanest fighter. Merely their ability to defend, while out of the pocket.

    For example, BJS is bad human being imo, good boxer though.
     
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    81ZAR Dr. Steelhammer Full Member

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  6. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His defence relied a lot on him being allowed to cheat
     
  7. Pound4PoundGG

    Pound4PoundGG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think floyd but he would go too defensive and not in the position to switch from defence to offence to defence.
    The shoulder roll didnt really allow the quick switch from defence to offence. I would rather consider the best defensive fighter as someone who had a great defence but was also able to immediately switch to offence, kind of like Lomachenko or Whitacker relied more on bobbing and weaving then getting off his shots. Im also going to mention Mike Tyson. Which other tiny heavyweight have you seen who could get in range the way he did and avoid all those bombs to get off his own?
     
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  8. The Clan

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    In that case you have to look at SRL. He could stand toe to toe without getting a glove laid on him and then throw a 10 punch combo
     
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  9. mark ant

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    You mean tiny in terms of height?
     
  10. Pound4PoundGG

    Pound4PoundGG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes exactly height and reach. In order for tyson to be effective he had to stay in the pocket most of the time and always at risk of getting hit.
     
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  11. Pound4PoundGG

    Pound4PoundGG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes but he isnt really remembered much for his defence. I think his offence was that good that he didnt need much of one.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran beat Ray in the pocket in their first bout though.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the brawl in montreal is probably the greatest fight in terms of displaying skill in the pocket from both fighters, Duran`s defense inside was awesome.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His footwork was great and I watched him slip shots well too, he had great reflexes, but he did also get caught a bit too much too.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson`s hooks were usually wide though, I saw him in the pocket in a couple of fights v Tubbs, Thomas and Mathis, he use to get clinched a lot on the inside too.
     


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