PBF routinely kept his opponents to career low connect % and punch out put numbers for a reason, he's arguably the best defensive fighter of all time.
I disagree PBF's shoulder roll always left him in the position for the counter more so than Pea Whitaker who was usually off balanced when he was on defense and not in the position to counter. PBF was a much better counter puncher than Pea for that reason.
I disagree. He hardly ever ever countered from the shoulder roll. He countered in the middle of the ring when his reflexes would avoid a punch then he would counter but i never saw him counter from the shoulder roll. Give me some examples of him counering from the shoulder roll?? He would usually be against the ropes on his back foot when doing the shoulder roll.
He countered plenty in the shoulder roll and did some of his best work while there. He would throw a quick short right hand or right hook all the time while in the shoulder roll. Pea was usually off balanced while moving and used his legs way more than PBF ever did he was all over the place doing all kind of twists and turns on defense which lead to him being off balanced dropped and out of position to counter. Like I said earlier PBF was a much better counter puncher than Pea because he was usually not off balanced and out of position like Pea was. This content is protected This video has plenty of examples of him doing it 3:53 against Oscar and 6:50 he does it against Mosley.
Toney had no where near the consistency of those two, at his absolute best the difference between him and Mayweather/Swear Pea is not that far
Clearly u haven't seen none of the fights where he's in the pocket then. Of Course u get hit occasionally, but Mayweather doesn't get hit cleanly because he's rolling the punches. Canelo fight is a good prime example of Mayweather using his defense in the pocket to create offense. Mayweather as "Pretty Boy" executed this best. Using defense to create offense. He was the best at it. Mayweather vs Gatti, Mayweather vs Ndou, Mayweather vs Bruseles are some fights to see him in the pocket using his defense to create offense.
Roberto Duran & Henry Armstrong, they lived for inside fighting. So many subtle things defensively. This content is protected This content is protected They are obviously very offensive minded, but that imo makes their inside defense even more impressive. Honourable mention: Toney, Mayweather, Whittaker, Locche, Benitez, Lomachenko
Yeah exactly, that’s what I said. I’ve seen close to every fight of Floyd’s career and I’ve never seen him fight effectively in the pocket. Where does that idea come from? He’s nowhere near as good as Hopkins is on the inside, yet Floyd seems to get mentioned before him?
Oh right, now I get it. You’re illiterate and used a double negative. I’ve seen all those fights, YDKSAB. I’ve seen Floyd get bloodied up and bashed by Augustus on the inside. Floyd uses defense to escape, not to create offence. Those fights you mentioned were against punching bags, he didn’t need any defense in those fights. That’s why he wasn’t afraid to let his hands go in those fights.
Well u couldn't have seen most of his fights saying that. Maybe u should go back and watch closely this time. I guess u never seen Canelo fight, nor Nduo, Gatti fight. Just to name a few where he fought in the pocket. Chop Chop Corley, Bruseles as well.
Clearly u can't read u stupid ****! I guess Canelo is a punching bag too huh? By the way u dummy, Mayweather fought Augusts with a fracture hand most of that fight and still won. Clearly u don't know ****! So i won't waste time trying to educate an idiot as yourself! The fact that u said he don't create offense off his defense speaks volumes of ur knowledge of Mayweather. U clearly are a i heard this from other people, so it must be true man lol Go learn boxing for yourself clown, and stop posting what u heard other people saying.
I’ve already talked about the Canelo fight in this thread. I’ve seen those fights. Look at the names you’re mentioning as well, even if you had a point.
I’ve just watched Hopkins-Pavlik again, what a masterclass. Look at the defense in that fight. That is a fighter turning defense into offence. Then keep in mind that is a 43 year old (older than Floyd now). Hopkins belongs in these conversations, a long way before someone like Floyd.
The reason is because Toney's outside game is not even close to Mayweather's. If it was, he'd utilize it more.
