Best "engine" you have seen on a fighter?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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  2. JohnThomas1

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    Armstrong of early era's and Fenech more recently. Both were insane.
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I think this topic favors smaller guys, but only a few have been mentioned

    Jung Koo Chang and Jeff Fenech were the first 2 I thought of. Fighting Harada certainly deserves a consideration.
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Margarito is a good shout. I need to go back and see some of his fights. Watching Mosley is a bad choice as Shane cut his output in half, but both by punch stats and the eye test the man was throwing 100-130 punches a round against Cotto and most with bad intentions, not a lot of quick jabs just solid winging. I need to go back and see if that was a consistent part of his style.

    What Margarito fights should I check out to see this engine?
     
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  5. roughdiamond

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    I also have to say John L Sullivan, and several other bare knucklers.

    I mean, that Kilrain bout is all the evidence you need.
     
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    Monzon should be mentioned...even as a smoker, paced himself perfectly over 15 rounds. No one did 15 rounds better than Carlos...also Kid Gavilan.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    To be controversial i think a guy like Arguello is deceptive here. He had a great jab, big height, reach and power and mostly controled the pace to his liking. His norm was to slowly dissect a guy before coming on later. Guys like Armstrong and Fenech among many others had a much much higher output in the early and middle going.

    He deserves a mention and almost always finished over the top of guys but i think some context is needed.

    Happy to be proven wrong.
     
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    I havent seen too much of Kid Gavilan but his long drawn out battle against Gil Turner was unlike anything Ive ever seen. Staving off Basilio for 15 rounds and outboxing him in the process, after getting heavily knocked down, was fairly incredible as well
     
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    "The one I mixed" gets an asterisk from me.

    Greb must have had one.

    Marciano, obviously.

    Early Julio.

    Early Vander.
     
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    Death, a boxer from the 1700's, apparently beat a lot of bigger fighters with his good engine, and had a ton of fights. Basically the 1700's Harry Greb.

    Obviously impossible to assess him and I've found very little on him, though Boxing Reviewed talks about him.

    Captain Godfrey also said Pipes (real name Tom Allen), was able to match bigger opponents because of his work rate, basically impossible to assess though.

    It doesn't seem fights of either era went nearly as long as the later bareknuckle ones for the most part, but perhaps because taking a back step was unmanly, let alone the later intentional diving that really prolonged fights, which as best as I can tell seemed to come about around the time of Tom Johnson, perhaps someone will have earlier examples though.
     
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    Speaking of Greb
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  14. Bill1234

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    Most of his fights saw him becoming more active later in the fight. Even against Pacquiao when he was getting outworked, he still threw several hundred punches. In one ( or both?) of the Cintron fights he had a pretty high punch count for a fight that only made it to the middle rounds. He became increasingly aggressive against Lujan as the fight wore on.
     
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  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Everyone I'm about to mention has already been said but

    Marciano
    Battling Nelson
    Armstrong
    Harada
    Frazier
    Greb

    Perhaps Tom Sharkey deserves a mention?
     
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