Best ESB Film Analysts?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Sep 21, 2007.


  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    To begin with, I'm not one of them.






    Who are the best posters here at analyzing styles on film? If you wanted to judge a fighter's ability from some Youtube clips, which posters would you contact? (Both General and Classic forums apply)



    Two come to mind initially--Manassa and Achilles. Kurgan was pretty good at it when he takes the time. Who are the others?
     
  2. Manassa

    Manassa - banned

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    This is the second time you've nominated me in the last few days, cross_trainer, but I really don't deserve it. And I'm not just saying that to sound modest (because I'm an arrogant ****), I just haven't posted anything worthwhile in a long time.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yep.

    I know. :yep

    But you're a good analyst, as your dissection of Louis and Pep demonstrates. The fact that you haven't had an opportunity to prove that analytical ability recently doesn't diminish it.



    Which is why it's good that you're back, particularly since recently discussions in the Classic section have revolved around boxing technique of the 30's-60's and whether it proves the strength of eras. I've made this thread as the first step to creating a way to get more objective analysis on all fighters--by putting together a committee to refer questions to. From what I've seen, you, Kurgan, and Achilles fit the bill well.
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'm very good at this actually, I use film to pick fights and have a high success rate at doing so. Rarely do people disagree with me in fantasy match ups when it comes to a stylistic comparison and then a projection just off of that.

    Of course, I'd come from the general forum and only hold this statement in accordance to modern boxing.
     
  5. Manassa

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    Over the weekend I'll make a special effort to make some decent posts.
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    :good
     
  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Post an example of your best analysis. Consider it a competition. :D
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How else would you appraise a fighter? I mean if there is a film of him at all.

    With one or two exceptions, isn't this another way of saying, "who do you agree with the most?"

    Possibly CT's fine debates with Amsterdam illustrate this as well as anything else - you'll generally feel the guy who "won" is the guy who you agreed with before the first post.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I throw 'em out all the time mate.

    The one running now is that stylistically, Pavlik makes short work of Jermain Taylor. I have come to the conclusion after detailed study of both on tape.

    - For a top level guy, Taylor has relatively poor footwork.

    - Taylor has a poor defence, poor accuracy and limited head movement.

    - Taylor has been slighly buzzed by Wright and Ouma, indicating possible chin problems, they were slight, but they were also visible if you watch hard enough.

    - Taylor doesn't react well to pressure or bullying, he loses game plan.

    - Taylor's speed is only marginally better than Pavlik's, he's also not an excellent power puncher.

    So basically, his claim to fame is competitive fights with Hopkins and Wright, he matched up well stylistically with Hopkins because Hopkins can be offset by a jab and Taylor's right had Hopkins thinking far too much instead of throwing, this is all just a stylistic flaw from Hopkins, who's a tactical inside fighter for the most part and conservative.

    Against Wright, he was being pushed around and owned at times, he used his size and heart to come back into it, it also helped that Wright cannot hit a lick, but he displayed immense problems that a pressure fighter would just have their way with, which is Pavlik.

    Ouma also exposed his pressure coping skills and survival skills to be very poor, if you are observant, which many boxing fans in the general forum and from the classic have not noted. Many good posters who know about the game even think that someone staying on top of him with a workrate will benefit him, when I've found that it disrupts him completely.

    Pavlik KO from rounds 3-7, I'll chose 5.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    But you are truthful:lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    CT is a great film analyst, he often sells himself short, I've read many boxing write ups from many seasoned 'experts' and CT's own personal analysation's have been as good or better in my opinion.

    I told him 'just because they have credentials and are high up, doesn't make them any better'.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I agree, he's my favourite.

    My point is more along the lines of people will see what they want to see.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I said that it was 'possible', not a 'definite'.

    I also said that it would be accumulative damage, not a 'KO'.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    A bold prediction.

    You are brave I will give you that.

    Personaly I predict exactly how the fight will unfold but still manage to get the outcome wrong.