Best examples of a boxer using a great jab?

And I'm not the least bit angry at all but a litlle shocked yeah. It's funny man because there's 2 kinds of people in this sport. Those that love the sport and thoses who love everything that goes on around it. And I'm just one of toses old school guys who don't like to postulate on subjects unless I;m adept enough to actually do this. I mean if we were talking algebra would X x Y = XY or Z?

 

You're a ***** guy. Very intolerant.

This was my opening post:

And yet this seems to have got you all riled up.

A great jab is extremely important in boxing, but as I have said, it does not excite me the way a great combination-puncher does or a great defensive artist does. That's just my taste. Why does that bother you so much??! It's very weird.

But it is not the best defence in boxing. The best defence is (shockingly enough) having a great defence. As I have already pointed out, many of the best defensive fighters do not rely on a great jab. :deal

 

A simple question then.

You said:

And you were quite vehement in your defence of this statement.

So,

who has the better defence,

- a fighter with a great jab but without highly developed head movement, reflexes and guard (examples: Morales, Cotto)

or

- a fighter who does not rely on a strong jab and rarely uses one, but who has a highly developed defensive game (examples: Toney, Hopkins)

???

:smoke

 

I ducked? yeah like Mayweather ducks Pac Huh? Thoses great defensive fighters with no jab. who are they? I don't know.

 

Well dude you could be right. But when I was a 15 years old at the boys club in L.A. in the gym with 13 other kids in Archie Moores fundamentals class. The one thing that Archie and Ken Norton for that matter preached to us in every 90 minute session was this my man! 'THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD STIFF JAB". Now, if you do your BOXING HOMEWORK as opposed to your WHAT SURROUNDS THE FIGHT GAME HOMEWORK you will find that's one of the most common statements among trainers in this sport. Now you can re-write history my man but than you ain't gonna be steppin in the ring with nobody. Not even for fun!

 

I would say neither. I can't really think of a great defensive fighter who didn't encompass all of those elements. can you tell me one and I'll go watch film? You might make an argument for Emile Griffith? His jab was cool but his defense was in the head and legs. so maybe that's an example? But give me somebody to go research so I can find the answer to your question.

 

I see what you mean about Toney and Hopkins. But understand, neither one of these guys are without the jab in their arsenal. Hopkins can selectively jab his opponents particularyly in the later rounds alla Hopkins vs JT I. This is why the Hopkins heads thought he won the fight! as far as toney you don't think he throws jabs after the shoulder rolls. You could call them potshots because they are far from the basic jab we're used to seeing in the middle of the ring or when someone's getting walked down. But that a very interesting anology and forsight to ask that questiom. I need to do more research.

 

I guess the question have to put your question into the right perspective would be: What champions who had a great impact on the sport through their defensive prowess was least reliant on the Jab? My answer is I DON'T KNOW! i'VE ONLY STUDIED AND PATTERENED MYSELF AFTER BOXERS WITH STRONG JABS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WERE TAUGHT IN OUR ERA! Kids these days I can see didn't come from the same skill sets. I mean I saw the Pascal fight the other week against Dawson and this guy Pascal had no jab at all. And to me that's really weird because although I think he's French Canadien, Detriot is just a plane ride away. I mean some of the greatest foundation of the sweet science was developed in the mid-west. You had guys like Chappy Blackburn and Mannie Seamon who developed a lot of defensive techniques that you see guys like Toney and Mayweather using today. Also other guys like Chickie Ferrara were developing defensive techniques used by guys like Ali, Patterson, Bonavena, Hurrricane Carter,Jimmy Ellis etc.. Although all these guys had varied different styles there's one constant and that's the jab. Although Chickie worked outta NY and Miami there were a lot of similarities between what came out of the midwest from Chappy and from Chickie in the east!