Best fight of Marquez vs. Pacquiao

Well I thought Pacquiao won 1, 2 Marquez won, 3 not really watched properly but most think it was a robbery, 4 was great. I still think Pacquiao was the better overall fighter, I actually think Barrera beat Marquez if he hadn't hit him after dropping him.

Head to head Marquez had his number fair play to him.

 

KTFO6 is the jewel of the rivalry. It had skills, action, drama and a one-for-the-ages show stopper of a KO.

 

I like the drama and action in 4 and the conclusive ending. Maybe one of the greater fights in recent years. Well, it's not so recent anymore.

1 and 2 are both great. Now 3 was okay but not my favorite, it was the least dramatic and most conservative, I also thought it was the most clear Pacman win which I think places me in a minority.

 

#1, by far. very few fans, relatively speaking, ever even talked about jmm back then. aside from a handful of posters, including myself, he was hardly ever hyped. pac was the favorite, coming in off an impressive performance over barrera.
i was not a fan of pac back then, so i was backing marquez. the first rd was one of the most memorable rds ive ever seen. after watching pac come out like a tornado and trailerhome marquez 3 times in that rd, i knew he was the real deal. and after watching juan get run over like that and regain his composure and control of the fight, i knew i was watching 2 very special fighters.
i had marquez edging a win, i dont remember exactly how i scored it.

 

Why can't some of you simply admit that JMM was H2H the better fighter? He outboxed Pac for at least 21-24 rounds of the first 36, beat Pac(by most accounts) at least 3 times in a period spanning about 8 years and 5 divisions and stopped him in the fourth fight with a career defining KO.

Did Pac just have Hatton or Cotto's numbers or was he just simply the better fighter?

 

All i had heard about Juan back then was how Hamed wanted absolutely nothing to do with him. Morales and Barrera were getting all the attention

The first Pacquiao fight. Very few boxers in history could get up from 3 KDs in the first round - and a blatant punch on the ground - then go on to completely take Pacquiao to school

Not only a technical counter punching genius but a warrior in the truest sense of the word

 

yeah, he was not considered the typical all action mexican fighter so he really didnt have a fan base, even amongst mexicans. most considered him high risk low reward because he was very good, just not well known.
his determination was what i found to be elite level. not once did i see a hint of doubt in him, even when rising from the floor for the third time, he always looked ready to get back into the fire... very few fighters have that type of heart.

 

I think the second was the best. The first had the knockdowns in the first round, but then a lot of the rest of the fight was Pacquiao chasing Marquez and Marquez either surviving or outboxing him, slowing the pace down, yes attacking when he was really in control, but it was relatively repetitive to me. The third was a Marquez schooling and horrible robbery, and not competitive enough to be a great fight. The fourth was intense every second, then of course the unforgettable moment of the ko. Hard not to love it. But I thought they both fought too much like power-punching heavyweights. The second stood out for speed, skill, and drama. Pac at 130 had improved and was just getting to his prime, but Marquez knew he was made for him at his best, and was so up for it. He boxed and countered brilliantly, but wasn't content to just oubox him and really pressed to hurt Manny too. But Manny responded with his speed and power and knocked down or stunned Marquez when Marquez got impatient. It was back and forth and dramatic, a lot of pacing and style shifts, blood too. Definitely fight two for me. I might just watch it right now, haven't seen it for a few years now.

 

I didn't really like 4 because of how it ended and I'd invested too much emotional capital in Manny Pacquiao; but objectively it was probably the best. I have no such reservations about the first fight however. That was actually my introduction to Pacquiao, Marquez, and the lighter weights. I didn't take bantamweight seriously before then, but that fight opened my eyes.

 

Because Pac was the better fighter who would beat more people. It just happens sometimes that people don't stack up well against each other. That's why triangle theory doesn't work. Just because you beat the guy that beat another guy doesn't mean that you can beat the third. Also, it was 2-2 in terms of fights. Pac got the better of the first two because he had monster physical advantages in speed and strength. Marquez was always the more skilled technician and as they got older the balance beam tilted in his direction.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand. It happened with Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins. Once Jones' physical advantages eroded Hopkins better technique triumphed. You see this in several rivalries where one guy has the better of it at first but ages and ends the series on the losing end. Then you have the back and forth type rivalries such as Vazquez vs Rafael Marquez and Zale vs Graziano.

Other times you have that rivalry where one guy just has the other's number like Mosley vs Forrest. Most people agree that Mosley was the better fighter, but his style and skill set just didn't match well against Forrest's.

Also, if Marquez were the better fighter, then why did Pacquiao school Bradley in 9-3, 8-4 type fights whereas most people think that Bradley schooled Marquez (I thought it should have been a draw.) Also, Pacquiao walked right through Barrera, while Marquez had a fairly close fight with him.

 

Roids or not, Manny was NO match for Marquez

Pacquiao waited til Hatton was shot to **** (nearly KOd by LIGHTWEIGHT Lazcano) and took on Cotto coming off a career ruining beatdown bt the Tornado.... yet the cowardly little maggot still drained him to ****

Manny was a piece of **** and that he's best remembered for KTFO6 is poetic justice

 

I don't agree with any of that. Pac and Marquez were both great nearly equal fighters like Barrera and Morales. I think the Hatton and Cotto fights were both impressive legit wins. He was probably on roids during the first part of his career and he cheated on his wife, but other than that, he's a senator, philanthropist, and born again Christian. He seems like one of the best humans in the sport right now.

 

Oh that fight was big for me. Like you said Pac was coming off a sensational upset over Barrera, and JMM had acquired two title belts and had the counterpunching style that people had hoped would be enough to topple Pacquaio and get payback for the way he brutalized Barrera. And boy was it a fight after the very first round, JMM really proved his merit and at that time stepped out of the shadows of his countrymen Morales and Barrera and put his name on the map. That said I thought part 4 was the most brutal of the quadrilogy.

 

Well Bradley beat Marquez who Pacquiao beat easily 3 times, Barrera in my opinion beat Marquez when Pacquiao beat him comfortably and then you have the fact that Pacquiao beat guys like Cotto, Morales etc when Marquez picked up losses in more or less his prime to Norwood and John.

Both are greats in my eyes, Pacquiao achieved a more and was the better overall fighter but Marquez had his number, that is my opinion.

You have heard the term styles make fights? You come across as a fan boy idiot.