best fighter never to win a world title?

Langford
Quarry
Briscoe
Burley
Billy Petrolle
Peter Jackson
Jimmy Leto
Tommy Yarosz
Joe Choynski
Harry Wills
Jimmy Young
Lew Tendler
So many

 

With Hector Thompson on that list, you should probably add Tony Mundine. Talent wise, Mundine had the goods, intestinal fortitude probably lacking.

 

100% certain that Andrew Golota would have beaten Quarry and Bonavena. Joe Bugner also probably would have. So these two guys should get a mention. Henry Cooper always springs to mind as well.

 

Andrew deserves the mention, as does Bugner and Cooper, though I don't see Golota beating either Quarry or Bonavena, they were mentally tougher.

 

Mentally tougher is true but Golota did dig deep on a couple of occasions.

 

I can't disagree with that!

 

What did Papp achieve that even puts him in the same universe as Langford? That's like trying to compare the achievements of Millard Fillmore with Abraham Lincoln. There isn't even a debate there.

 

Agreed..Papp over Langford???...atsch Langford is rightfully the greatest on the list.

 

oh....and scott quigg

 

Irrelevant. We're talking about greatness as a pro.

So? Who'd he beat to win that distinction? I look at his record and all I see are a bunch of European cream puffs (some are decent at best). On Langford's record you see wins over several hall of famers.

Once again irrelevant. We're talking about greatness as a pro.

Based on what? His earth-shattering wins over Mick Leahy, Luis Folledo and Chris Christiansen? That doesn't even put him in the same area code as an established WORLD champion like Joey Giardello, who fought and beat many more great fighters than Papp even dreamed about. I doubt Joey was doing much worrying about Papp.

Papp is a "might have been" story. Not an all-time great pro at all. He did nothing as a pro that merits him greatness status.

 

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Yes my error.

 

The same place where it's written that your amateur football, basketball, baseball and every other sport under the sun doesn't count when assessing the merit of your professional career. It's an unwritten rule that everyone understands or accepts in any popular sport that I'm aware of.

This is especially true in boxing. Only the best of the best compete as pros. I think it's safe to say that most of Papp's amateur opponents weren't good enough to make it in the pros.

You're fighting under entirely different sets of rules and restrictions in amateurs and pros. Henry Tillman beat Mike Tyson twice in the amateurs. Tyson destroyed him once as a pro. Are you suggesting that Tillman's amateur wins mean as much overall as Tyson's pro win? I don't think so. Not at all actually.

No, it wasn't his fault. But that doesn't mean that you can start piling all these accolades on him as a professional. Because he achieved VERY little as a pro.

Who did he prove that against? Name one hall of fame fighter that he beat. How many top ranking middleweights did he beat? NONE. In order to be considered the best you have to BEAT the best. Papp didn't beat a single one. Not his fault, but it is what it is.

You can't make any case for him whatsoever.

 

Oops. Just looked over at the "Most overrated fighter" thread and saw this post from you:

1. Muhammed Ali
2. James Toney
3. Oscar de la Hoya
4. Ray Leonard
5. Samuel Langford
6. Joe Frazier
7. Roberto Duran
8. Kenny Norton
9. Paul Williams
10. Ray Robinson

Didn't realize that I was dealing with a troll. I thought we'd gotten rid of all of you. Apparently not.

Anyway, I don't waste my energies on trolls. Consider our debate closed.

:hi:

 

Tua does have a nice resume although Rahman got rooked by a horrible referee. What really hurts Tua is the total no show he pulled against Lewis. He came in weighing a ton and never even came close to making it a fight. People figured out a jab was kryptonite to him and Byrd beat him with ease and Rahman was on his way. Still Tua does have some impressive scalps he would make my top ten heavies to never win a title.