best fighter never to win a world title?

to be fair the evidence was lacking so it was fair to overturn the conviction. I don't really know if it's true but i heard dylan refuses to play the song anymore because he came to think carter did the murder, not that it really matters wrongfull convictions is a legal thing unrelated to actual guilt/innocence.

I don't know about the production of the film, or how involved washington was, but i don't blame them for following standard hollywood protocol in jazzing the story up to the gills, they just ****ed up by not getting giardello's approval because he is a real person so has the right to not be misrepresented.

 

It was based on the story told to them by Carter,they never at any time interviewed Giardello.

In his book the16th round ,Carter claimed he had passed a polygraph test FALSE.
Facts like Carter was told if he passed a lie detector test he would be released,but that he refused the offer were not in the film

"Although not mentioned in the movie, Carter claims he passed a lie detector test. Not so, says Jim DeSimone, son of the now deceased out-to-get-Carter detective portrayed in the film. DeSimone says that Carter flunked a lie detector test. Moreover, the authorities offered Carter, on the eve of the second trial, a chance to take a second test. Pass it, they said, and we drop the charges. Flunk it, and we agree not to mention the second test.

Carter refused. Why? If Carter passed the first polygraph, why not a second, and walk away a free man?"

"The movie starts with a lie. Joey Giardello fought Carter in 1964, and most ringside observers felt Giardello won a tough, but clear-cut decision. In the movie, however, Giardello wins the fight only because racist judges hand it to him. In reality, Giardello won in convincing fashion as shown in this round-by-round

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“‘The Hurricane,’ directed by Norman Jewison and starring Denzel Washington, tells the story of Carter, a black man who was unjustly imprisoned for the murder of three white people before his conviction was overturned and he was released. In the film, the decision favoring Giardello, who is white, appears to be racially motivated and unfair.

“Giardello filed a federal lawsuit claiming defamation and eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. The DVD version of the film included commentary by the director noting that liberties were taken in the fight scenes.”



"In the movie, Carter possesses near-sterling integrity, character pure and even noble.

Now the facts. Rubin "Hurricane" Carter was a thug, having spent several years in juvenile detention for muggings. On the eve of his 1964 middleweight title fight, he bragged in the Saturday Evening Post about his savagery, "I stuck a man with my knife. I stabbed him everywhere but the bottom of his feet." Carter also said he and a friend "used to get up and put our guns in our pockets. ... Then we'd go out in the streets and start fighting -- anybody, everybody. We used to shoot at folks."






When out of prison, awaiting his second trial, Carter viciously beat a woman who worked tirelessly to free him.

No physical evidence linking Carter to the crime? Not according to New Jersey Star-Ledger columnist Paul Mulshine, who says police found two bullet shells in Carter's car, shells that fit the weapons used in the shootings.

An eyewitness ID'd the killers and their getaway car. Within minutes, the police apprehended Carter, driving a car that matched the description.

During the first trial, Carter presented several "alibi" witnesses, who placed Carter elsewhere at the time of the crime. During the second trial, however, many of Carter's "alibi" witnesses changed their testimony, stating that they had been bribed by Carter."







"In the movie, a Carter defender states that two "all white" juries found Carter guilty. False. The second jury contained two blacks"


. Facts like his wife divorced him because of his serial adulteries were changed to him selflessly telling her to divorce him because," I am dead".
Facts like he was a habitual and violent mugger were not in the film.

The film shows him receiving a belt from a boxing body as compensation for being robbed by that bodyy in the real fight.That boxing body did not exist when the fight happened and the same belt was awarded to Giardello at the same honorary ceremony Carter was convicted twice for triple murder ,but later freed on a technicality, he was never exonerated or pardoned for those murders.

"Judge Lee Sarokin set aside Carter's second conviction. An "exoneration"? No, Judge Sarokin never called Carter innocent. He ruled that the prosecution erred in advancing a motive theory not, according to the judge, supported by the evidence."




As late as 1970 Carter admitted he lost the Giardello fight.
The up dated dvd version of Hurricane has an addition . The director Norman Jewison ,admitting that Giardello deserved the decision.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...=onepage&q=giardello sues for damages&f=false


"Giardello sued, even though the law makes it difficult for a living public figure like him to collect. Giardello's lawyer, George Bochetto, says notes obtained from the film's insurer before the lawsuit was settled indicate that lawyers who reviewed the script questioned whether Giardello's name should have been used.
Giardello settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, and for director Norman Jewison's agreement to make a statement on the DVD version of The Hurricane that there was ''no doubt'' that Giardello was a great fighter. Giardello says he sought, but did not receive, an additional sanction: He wanted Universal Pictures to append actual footage of his fight with Carter to the DVD version, so that viewers could judge for themselves ''who gave the pounding'' to whom."

Carter fought Harry Scott in the Uk the matchmaker and promoter Mickey Duff met him on the tarmac and carried one of his bags through customs,in Carter's hotel room he opened the bag, inside was a handgun.Duff said you could have been in serious trouble smuggling a hand gun into the Uk ,Carter replied," I didn't smuggle it in ,you did" from Duff's autobiography.
Carter was guilty of those triple murders and lost the Giardello fight clearly.


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are you trying to convince me of the argument we are on the same side of? i was convinced before i wrote my own post.

At the end of the day it was quite a good film.

edit: when someone quotes me i always try to respond for politeness, but you quote me out of the context of my posts so i'm not sure how to respond to it.

 

No I'm reiterating/ reinforcing your[and my,] stance.
This guy makes ridiculous claims and ,when provided with evidence that blows them completely out of the water, can't be ****d to read it.
The film was ok but fiction, with the facts deliberately distorted for the sake of dramatic licence similar but a lot worse than The Cinderella Man that portrayed Baer as a sadistic **** -hole.
Two fine lead performances by Washington and Crowe do not disguise ,or excuse deliberate bull****.

I can't get my head around how this poster would rather believe the film than watch the dvd of the actual fight ,which he so far has not bothered to do.atsch

 

ok, sorry, i'm working nights and was about to go to bed.

 

No sorry necessary, I should have addressed him directly, my error not yours.:good

 

You guys do realize you might be engaging a troll, right? I mean a real troll. Not just a 5hitty poster.

 

Or both?

Here's another link he won't bother to read.

http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode15.htm

 

Yaqui Lopez. Came oh so close though.

 

Just STFU.atschatsch

 

Yaqui Lopez was an absolute warrior! Great pick!

 

Lopez fought all the champions and top contenders of his time, warrior indeed.

 

Harold Brazier. He was a regular on ESPN in the 80's & 90's. Came short against Roger Mayweather. He had well over 100 fights! Just a good solid pro.

 

Irish Joey Archer, beat Carter,Tiger and I believe Griffith in fight 1 in his quest for the title

 

Great shout! I was a fan of Brazier. He always seemed to go into cruise control in his biggest fights...never could get over...