Best fighter NOT in the IBHOF

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  1. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I've been thinking about this recently, and watching Adonis Stevenson this weekend made me think of one name (I won't say why, if you know boxing, you should know why), Goyo Peralta.

    Only one signature win, over Pastrano for the title, lost the rematch in a questionable referee's decision, but two "signature draws"; a much younger, much larger Ron Lyle in his last fight, and Oscar Bonavena (second fight, first one lost in TKO-5, one of two KO loss in 116 fights, other one Foreman rematch).

    Many of his 9 losses came early in his career, of the 7 losses that came after 1960;

    Mauro Mina, best Peruvian boxer ever (beat Bob Foster) in Peru.
    Pastrano, questionable, lost to Louisianan in Louisiana.
    Bonavena, prime and much larger.
    Foreman, to a hot American prospect in America, and many people thought he won. Already 35 years old.
    Foreman again, no video exists.
    Ray Anderson, (went the route with prime Foster).
    Ron Lyle (In Denver) 39 years old, many people thought he won.

    So give me a better non hall-of-famer, and why.
     
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  2. Absolutely!

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    I assume you mean non-active guys, since Wlad and Toney are both sure-fire locks.

    Hmm, at heavyweight I'd have to say Chris Byrd. Wins over a prime Tua and Vitali, plus a win over a slightly past his best but still competitive Holyfield. In his prime was only ever beaten by the beastly Ike and a young and devastating Wlad Klit. Remained competitive against big men all his life, notching wins and draws over McCline, Golota, and Oquendo as well as tough journeymen like Purrity, Butler and Bert Cooper.

    Made a disastrous move down to light heavy towards the end of his career and got destroyed by Shaun George, but most reasonable people should consider that only a minor blip on an otherwise bloody good resume.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    Tim Austin and Rafael Marquez aren't in there.
    Donald Curry isn't in.
    Froch isn't there.
    Diego Corrales

    Peralta really isn't anywhere near most deserving.
     
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  4. slender4

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    Austin and Corrales over Peralta?
     
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  5. slender4

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    For it's part, Bleacher Report did the story, and they had a bunch of postwar guys (way before my time, I'm 50) along with Marcel and De Jesus (hmmmmm!) both best known for fights with Duran.

    [url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1720373-ranking-the-all-time-greatest-boxers-not-in-the-hall-of-fame[/url]
     
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  6. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Other names;

    Joey Archer (known for being SRR's final opponent but beat a lot of good guys)
    Georgie Abrams (Not a great record but fought everyone, and drew with prime Burley!)
    Tiger Jack Fox (140-23 but no great wins)
     
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  7. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure if Alfredo Escalera is in. Superfeatherweight champ from 1975-1978 with 11 or so title defenses. Probably would have had more, except Alexis Arguello, moved up and ended his reign in 2 bloody fights that were very competitive.
     
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  8. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Good one. Termite Watkins was probably the best guy he ever beat though.
     
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  10. Saad54

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    Donald Curry
     
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    John Conteh
     
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  12. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Aaaah, otherwise known as Errol Spence Sr.
     
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  13. red cobra

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    Peralta's win over Pastrano was a nontitle win...in the rematch, Willie sliced him up pretty bad and looked great for the first 3 or 4 rounds, but Goyo kept coming on, and was looking rather good by the 6th, when the fight was stopped. As for the stoppage being questionable, I'll quote part of an article by writer Michael Carbert:
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  14. Smokin Bert

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    That is an insult to Curry. (At least it is thus far into Spence's career). Curry was a far more dynamic fighter than Spence.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    Well, clearly it's Tim Witherspoon.

    Because for the past two days I've been arguing with people who insist Witherspoon could've knocked out first ballot Hall of Famers Bowe and Holyfield at their best.

    Apparently, no man could stand up to the onslaught of Witherspoon ... and his vaunted 55% KO percentage.

    No one except chins of granite like James Pritchard and Mike Sedillo and Larry Alexander and Jimmy Thunder and Mike Williams and Carl "The Truth" Williams ... guys which chins carved from the hardest stone.

    Everyone else was like cracked china waiting to be pulverized by Witherspoon and his unequaled power.

    That's why he's the most ducked heavyweight ever, too, I'm told.
     
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