Best fighter you`ve ever seen in their prime ?

There are a lot difficult to just name one a few I would name are:
Sugar Ray Robinson
Ezzard Charles
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Eder Jofre
Wilfredo Gomez
Joe Louis
Jose Napoles
Pernell Whitaker
Willie Pep
Archie Moore
Ruben Olivares

Probably missing a few.

 

i get your point, hence my reference towards the fights he had to go the distance. call him a bully if you must but that was his game but he did show that he could fight the long fight as well. as far as the reference natonic made about the ear biting i have no comeback for that one, tyson says he was getting headbutted by holyfield, still no excuse for biting though. this is the version of tyson that i do not claim to be anything worth even mentioning in this thread. all signs of the real iron mike are at this point completly absent.

 

get your point, hence my reference towards the fights he had to go the distance. call him a bully if you must but that was his game but he did show that he could fight the long fight as well. as far as the reference natonic made about the ear biting i have no comeback for that one, tyson says he was getting headbutted by holyfield, still no excuse for biting though. this is the version of tyson that i do not claim to be anything worth even mentioning in this thread. all signs of the real iron mike are at this point completly absent.

 

I'm not falling into the easy one that "Tyson would lose to anyone who stood up to him, and to anyone who lasted beyond 5 rounds". That's not the case. But he never showed he had the tools (adaptability, indominatable will etc) to overcome a very difficult situation. He would always have a punchers chance, though (which he almost capitalized on against Douglas).

But Tyson was not weak. He just wasn't one of the greats in that department. And for me, nothing is really as impressive as a very skilled fighter having to try a different angle because his skills aren't doing it for him on that particular night. Those that have extraordinary skill are often so reliant on it that they get clueless when the usual skillset just isn't working out. Tyson didn't break this mould.

 

Tyson- 1986-1989
Chavez- 1984-1989
Curry- 1983- 1985

 

not for Tyson :good

how much better was Pep in his prime than of teh footage available of him

 

Hard to quantify, GP, say 50% better before the plane crash. He wasn't hard to HIT, he was hard to FIND.

 

he must have been amazing

i dont understand that last part whenever i have saw Pep filsm nobody could hit him or find him.

What made him better in his prime than after it

 

If you're a Lamborghini in a 100-'n-mile head-on crash, no matter how good you look cosmetically, you're never the same car.

But even at 50% -- smoking, drinking, 'n goin' through the motions in the gym -- Willie still bamboozled the elite.

 

John, who do you think Robinson's most impressive opponent was? Was it LaMotta or Gavilan? Would you say he was in his absolute prime against Gavilan? How good was Armstrong when he squared up against Robinson? Had he anything left?

Sorry for all the questions, but since there's so preciously little film from these fights, it's of course very interesting to hear from someone who saw them.

 

hagler

 

My lifetime: Whitaker.


All-time: Ray Robinson.

 

i worded it wrong i understand that part

but what did he do better in his prime than what i have seen on film

 

Good God man you're a stickler. He's explained it like 10 times. He just did whatever you've seen him do on a higher level, as he was a more youthful, energetic, and overall capable fighter. Not much to it.

 

:rofl:rofl

i prefer to be called slow.