Best fighters p4p never to win a world title

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How do you rank them?

    Here are some possible candidates (not in any order):

    Holman Williams
    Lew Tendler
    Dave Holly
    Sam Langford
    Eddie Booker
    Packey McFarland
    Charley Burley
    Jack Blackburn
    Billy Graham
    Wes Ramey
    Tommy Gibbons
    Harry Wills
    Cocoa Kid
    Sam McVea
    Kid Norfolk
    Joe Jeannete
    Young Peter Jackson
    Jack Chase
    Lloyd Marshall

    Add some more if you can think of any, and let's see some lists of how they rank :good
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You've really taken the fun out of trying to come up with some names ourselves, haven't you!

    My top five:

    1 - Burley. By a mile. At his peak i bet he could beat almost any champion between light-welter and super-middle to secure himself a title.

    2 - Sam Langford....ok, I may have been exaggerating when I said "by a mile". I am really getting into this guy, what a great fighter.

    3 - Harry Wills. I have a real soft spot for this guy. I feel bad for him. He may not be "better" p4p than many other denied champs but he's one of the ones I hurt for the most. He deserved a shot.

    4 - Lloyd Marshall. The ultimate business fighter? Maybe, but I bet his raw talent would be enough to put any super-middle/light-heavy there's ever been to the test.

    5 - I'd like to say Jack Chase, but probably Holman Williams was the better fighter. That would be my guess anyway. So Holman Williams.
     
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  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Sam Langford
    Charles Burley
    Joe Jeanette
    Lou Bogash
     
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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Good work.
    This is an awsome list. Wouldn't you say that Jerry Quarry could be added to that list though? I mean I don't think he was as good as Langford or Jackson, but he did manage to beat Floyd patterson, Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Buster Mathis, Thad Spencer, and Mac Foster. That's a pretty thick list of good fighters for a guy who never won a world title.
     
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  5. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adding a journeyman Jerry Quarry to such list would be an insult to the fighters already on it.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Adding your two cents to this thread or any other is an insult to anyone who knows boxing....:good
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jeff Clark, Bobby Dobbs and Joe Butler should be on the list.

    I would also add Tommy West. He was extremely unlucky to come along while Joe Walcott, Billy Smith and Tommy Ryan were in the welterweight division.

    Billy Miske deserves a mention as he should have contested the light heavyweight title early in his career.
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not a bad fighter, but I'd say he's a level below most of the guys listed here. He was usually outclassed quite badly when stepping up against the very best but he did have some quality wins as you say. I'm not an expert on heavies though, so I can't give too informed an opinion.
     
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  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Billy Miske had some tough fights with Greb. The Harry Greb website credits Miske in winning a newspaper decision over Greb once. He also beat light-heavy champs like Jack Dillon and Levinsky

    MR Margoo i agree with qUARRY good pick
     
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  10. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Sam Langford
    2. Charley Burley
    3. Holman Williams
    4. Harry Wills
    5. Tommy Gibbons

    Honourable Mention: Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Cocoa Kid, Jack Chase and Young Peter Jackson.
     
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  11. Manassa

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    Willie Joyce!

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  12. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what a better question would be who is the best fighters never to win the undisputed/unified/lineal world championship

    and IMO Tommy Hearns (if memory serves me) never won a consensus undisputed championship, so he'd have to be up there...
     
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  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tommy Gibbons would have our hides for naming him without also naming his brother Mike!
     
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  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Mike was in my opinion the better of the Gibbons brothers pound for pound.
     
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  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sammy claimed alphabet 175lbs crap between 1911-13 as well as recognition at heavyweight (five times between 1909 and 1918.)
     
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